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Who killed the rave?

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article also mentions that earlier ending events made to accommodate aging millennials have seen an unexpected and huge interest from Gen Z But yeah, the decline of the nightlife and hospitality sector is what this article is about, as the regulated rave experience is very mainstream and has been for a long time now The production value is quite high now and still improving so I don't see why the illicit rave exp…

> The production value is quite high now and still improving so I don't see why the illicit rave experience would be so interesting when the facilities would be so lacking in comparison A few reasons: 1. security at official music events are often complete arseholes and can totally destroy the vibe. Think of all the row rent chip on their shoulder wannabe cops, then place them in a field of drunk partying adults with…

> (+) While I fully understand that once you've got multiple thousands of humans in a field, you do need security, at small illegal raves - say a few hundred people - there's no need and the vibe without feeling like you're being watched is spectacular.

On the other hand - saying this as a former tech guy for illegal raves - even in small raves below 100 people in attendance there's so much potential for shit to go seriously wrong. Obviously substance consumption related issues ranging from ODs over contaminants to mixture effect amplifications, that's the most pressing issue, but you also have your fair share of travel accidents aka someone tripping over tree branches, and you will always have a few people (mostly male, but also a few female) who won't understand borders in all possible ways if they're not sober.

Back then a lot of that dark shit was swept under the rug, let us be very clear here. That's the sad price to pay for fly-by-night events without proper security, EMS and whatnot else that is required for licensed events.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Interesting. My experience in NYC even with folks in the 20s is they prefer going out BEFORE it gets super late, with the super late nights only happening for shows (where the DJ/main act doesn't come on till 1:30 AM). I've also anecdotally seen more day parties which might be driven by demand from the former rave crews who are aging out.

The main act starting at 1:30 AM while (thinking of the US) a lot of people work weekends or even if they don't, their weekly schedule is 9-5 and so their sleep schedule is / should be like 12-7 is mad, it makes sense that going out matches more with that schedule so you don't get cicadean whiplash from doing night shifts over the weekend.

That said, in the UK for a good while now a lot of places are closed at midnight, on paper to prevent excessive drinking and nighttime troubles. In practice people just drink more and earlier in the day.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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One big change is that they got better and much more organized. I go to an annual event with a few hundred of my friends and family. We rent a lodge in a national forest, set up an enormous sound system, and dance for 3 days around some very confused deer. There are food trucks and coffee bars and dozens of portapotties scattered around, plus daytime poolside sets while we swim around and listen to 100dB house. We gr…

A yeah the deer are just confused, no need to worry. Keep partying!

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was also a big thread - Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future (300 comments) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38151205 14 years ago - Berlins new techno beat. why international tech startups should move to berlin - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2729524 (Article is gone so not sure if it's a play on techno)

btw: Watergate (and Renate in a year (and Rummelsburger Bucht a few years ago)) are closing because some secretive Russian oligarch has decided the way he wants to throw his oligarch money around is to buy up left-wing spaces in Berlin and shut them down. Not just rave clubs or whatever they're properly called - he was also the reason for the tiny little squat Liebig 34 getting stormed by over 2000 armed police offic…

Documentary inspired by the Padowatch blog: https://archive.org/details/schattenwelten-berlin-miete-und-...

Re: Who killed the rave?

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It's probably the same mechanism that relegated the sock hop to a rare anachronism.

I don't have a subscription to ft.com.

Is it "tastes change" or a sexier and clickbaitier mound of bullshit?

Re: Who killed the rave?

#137

> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor. Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.

I assert this without evidence, but I would highly suspect club attendance numbers and rave attendance numbers to be strongly correlated.

Strong negative correlation? Can't attend both events, and most people only have the weekend to attend max one event.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Early dancing seems to be getting a bit of a boost though? Dayfever and Annie Mac's "Before Midnight" events seem to be v popular in Ireland and the UK

Yeah because public liability insurance has spiked beyond tolerable levels for post-watershed events, and the licensing board and constabulary are in lock-step for the granting of late licenses to bars and nightclubs to operate past 11.30pm They use the most spurious justifications regarding newer commercial tenants and antisocial behaviour to deny the legacy cultural tenets their ability to operate as a late-night b…

Nothing at all to do with there being a demographic who loves to dance, but is no longer willing/able to stay up all night?

(a demographic that includes myself fwiw)

Re: Who killed the rave?

#139
I remember the night when I knew clubbing (perhaps not raves per se) died.

Blackbird Ordinary, Miami. July 4th weekend.

Normal clubby kind of night. Then in comes a dude in bright ridiculous Uncle Sam gear, sparklers and all, making a spectacle of himself. All the phones come out.

Sigh. This is not the point of clubs/bars. You're mostly not supposed to be "seen" and certainly not like that.

Re: Who killed the rave?

#140

Maybe the same person who killed the disco

Are you by chance referring to the time that "...a Chicago DJ named Steve Dahl detonated a dumpster filled with disco records between White Sox games at Comiskey Park, leading to a riot"?

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20230922-the-night-angry...

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