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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by LightBug1 »

pton_xd wrote: post #47
UndefinedRef wrote: post #2

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

None of your positives resonate.

I'll never buy a Tesla. A decade ago I was a huge fan.

Most likely option at the moment is the Hyundai ioniq 5 N ... not only a better drivers car than anything Tesla have ever put out, but I don't have to swallow the Musk emotional tax or have his smell lingering over the purchase ...

I'll ... never ... buy ... a ... Tesla.

The brand is over.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by llamaimperative »

FloorEgg wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86…

What issues do you find he is extreme on?

1. The result of the 2020 election is a big one

2. Supporting Germany's AfD, which e.g. backs "complete closure" of EU borders

3. Recently started advocating for a far-right loser in the UK (Tommy Robinson) who has multiple convictions including assault, assault, assault, mortgage fraud, contempt of court, and use of a false passport to enter the US

4. Continuing to insist that the Twitter Files showed that Dems stifled the Biden laptop story even after Matt Taibbi (who Musk hired to release the Twitter Files) wrote: "there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story."

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by bryanlarsen »

mbesto wrote: post #126
bryanlarsen wrote: post #114

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> My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I disagree. We've had an EV for ~5 years now, and have put about 10x as many miles on it as we have on our gasoline vehicle. The gasoline vehicle is the second car, and the EV is what we prefer for road trips. > your tires wear 20~30% faster Not in my experience, I'm getting 70k from a set of tires, which is comparable to previous cars. Just because a car can acce…

> Not in my experience Anecdotal. Just do a few google searches and the data says 20~30%. Torque, weight, etc. all conclude this. Just go into a discount tire and the guys will tell you this is true. > Just because a car can accelerate quickly doesn't mean you should. You've reinforced my point - which is most people don't know how to drive EVs with maintenance in mind. > NTesla's and BMW i3's from ~2013 are testing…

> So then why not warrant against it if this is so certain?

They do. 8 years / 100,000 mile warranties suggest that ~3 sigma lifetime is at that level. IOW, Tesla likely believes that >99.5% of all cars will not need a warranty battery replacement by that point. To hit that level, the average car needs to do a lot better than that.

> Also, ICE gas tanks don't get smaller over time.

If measured in miles/tank, they definitely do. The gas mileage a 10 year old car gets is worse than the same car when it was new.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by [deleted] »

FloorEgg wrote: post #104
tzs wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86…

What issues do you find he is extreme on?

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by llamaimperative »

dauertewigkeit wrote: post #46
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #36

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> Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? Musk's involvement is on the level of e.g. Rupert Murdoch or the Adelsons. It's well beyond even most billionaires' political activities.

I'm not denying that. I think it might open some people's eyes to the reality that we live in.

In the same way that murderers should get some credit for opening people's eyes to the reality that there are other murderers.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by vdupras »

kbelder wrote: post #70
vdupras wrote: post #12

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Isn't it basically the only logical conclusion at this point? If you don't like Musk, you don't like Tesla. If you like Musk, you believe what he says, and what he's been saying during his ascension to the White House is that EVs are trash. Aren't Teslas EVs?

That's too binary. You can dislike Musk without disliking Tesla, and vice versa. I think it's rather pointless to avoid companies led by people with politics I dislike, because that is nearly all of them. Hell, I wouldn't have been able to see a movie or watch a TV show for years.

Of course, anything is possible, but your opinion then becomes fringe. I'm trying to answer to the parent's question, which was about general sentiment rather than fringe opinions.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by underseacables »

davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

But they have been doing it forever. Soros, Epstein, SBF, Bezos... Your ideal is noble but perhaps a little naive.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by dang »

bilvar wrote: post #26
grumple wrote: post #18

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly—not just in this thread, but in many threads, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42058962 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41853161.

We have to ban account that post like this, so if you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by underseacables »

sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

IMHO: politics, and irritation at his personality and disruption. He has been the driver of some pretty amazing things, but that makes some people jealous or just bitter.
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