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Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Indeed; no one ever seems to consider that before defaulting to them though :(

I didn't default to them, but did start a new project on their infrastructure. They deleted all of my data a month in due to not beleiving my name was real, and without even bothering to contact me to verify anything. They deleted my backups as well because I was dumb enough to keep them under the same account. I learned a valuable lesson the hard way and have improved my methods as a result, but sad that it cost me…

I had actually forgotten about this, I had a friend who had the exact same thing happen (dropped because "you have to use real names" or whatever, but they did use their real name, and it wasn't even anything suspicious or weird [not that that should matter], they just have a vaguely common for Eastern Europe sounding name :S)

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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That doesn't sound very similar at all. Their Terms and Conditions specifically say they don't allow cryptocurrency mining or similar, so hardly surprising that they shut down something like Solana validators.

Solana validators do not perform cryptocurrency mining.

I'm well aware of this. Read the T&C and I'm sure even you can understand the intent.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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There are colocation datacenters all over the world.

Sure, but if something goes wrong with your colocated server, you're supposed to fix it yourself, aren't you? So it feels kinda important that the datacenter is close enough so you could get there quickly on a short notice. I'm imagining having to fly several hours and cross borders just to replace a failed hard drive, all while your server is down.

You can use "remote hands" service to some extent. For example: http://www.he.net/tour/Fremont_2_220_Remote_Hands_Service.ht...

You could leave a stack of HDDs and other consumables in your server cabinet for them.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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https://woem.men/notes/9r86xd69cu89052m Also shoutout to Cloudflare for showing off what a diverse company they are in this one /s

https://woem.men/notes/9r5bwnci8x2204it “Actually, they’re 1000 years old”

Careful, sharing that link is illegal in some jurisdictions

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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This thread is not really interesting because we don’t have the Hetzner’s side of the story.

I agree and don't think you should be downvoted for this opinion. With only one side of the story it's impossible to draw any conclusions yet.

Of course there is usually a bit of a chicken and egg issue with this sort of thing. Many companies only respond at all when complaints go viral on sites such as hn.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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This happens literally all the time with Hetzner, I can't tell you how many times I've heard some variation of this story (or seen it here on HN), but they're cheap, and most people aren't going to find the people complaining online about it even if they do actually try to find out more about the company, so I'm afraid it hasn't hurt them much.

>but they're cheap Maybe they're cheap for a reason.

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Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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The biggest issue I have had with Hetzner was with a dedicated server. I was constantly (3 times or more a week) getting abuse messages about my MAC address not being correct:

"""" We have detected that your server is using different MAC addresses from those allowed by your Robot account.

Please take all necessary measures to avoid this in the future and to solve the issue. We also request that you send a short response to us. This response should contain information about how this could have happened and what you intend to do about it. In the event that the following steps are not completed successfully, your server can be locked at any time after DATEHERE.

How to proceed: - Solve the issue - Please note, in case you have fixed the problem, please wait at least 10 minutes before rechecking: https://abuse.hetzner.com/retries/?token=TOKENHERE - After successfully testing that the issue is resolved, send us a statement by using the following link: https://abuse.hetzner.com/statements/?token=TOKENHERE

Please visit our FAQ here, if you are unsure how to proceed: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/faq/error-fa... """

I was just using standard Docker to host a web app. No proxmox or KVM of any sort. I would just wait the 10 minutes, click their link https://abuse.hetzner.com/retries/?token=TOKENHERE, which would retry and would come back fine and my response would be "I changed nothing and the retry came back solved. I've done tcpdumps over a weeks time to see if any MAC addresses leak from the OS and none have while a similar ticket like this gets opened every couple days." The ticket would close shortly after I submitted.

I inquired to them at least twice about this and they just kept telling me I was leaking a MAC address that I wasn't allowed to even when I had proof of tcpdumps over a week time period. I found someone else who had this issue with them (most issues around this that I found were people hosting Proxmox) and they had Hetzner replace the NIC and it fixed the issue. Well, Hetzner wouldn't replace my NIC because "it was working" even though I referenced these abuse tickets. I ended up getting another dedicated server, migrated my app over there, and I haven't had issues since.

Their support is seriously not very good. Since that experience, I have had backups elsewhere and test restoring those backups regularly. The price to performance I get from them is unbeatable and like I said, I haven't had issues since getting a new machine. But, I'm definitely cautious and don't exactly trust things to not go sideways even though it's been 2 years since that experience.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Honestly as much as we like to hammer on EU (lack of) companies, one potential improvement point is customer service German companies are awful at customer service. Even within the EU

>German companies are awful at customer service. True also from my experience. I've noted several potential reasons why that is from my time in Germany. Government provided customer protection laws are quite lax and disputes tricky to win and don't represent a big enough deterrent for the scammers when they're just a slap on the wrist and therefore part of the cost of doing business. Sure, you can get sued and you lo…

> Government provided customer protection laws are quite lax

I have the opposite perception. Most of the customer-screwing business practices I constantly see in other countries don't exist in Germany, because nobody even dares trying them.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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> [...] so customers who got screwed need to sue and win individually for the same issue which is favorable for the companies doing the screwing as without the precedent of common law This is factually false. > (some) Rental agreements, internet, telco and gym memberships are my favorite infamous examples. They're almost universally regarded as anti-consumer, with tonnes of sketchy clauses, but German lawmakers do no…

> The fact that contracts like these, if you forgot to cancel them, can only renew for one month is better than anything I've seen anywhere else. Do you have a source for this? (maybe it's a new thing) Because the subject of cancelling contracts is even a meme in the German (expat) community (of course for your standard German you need to be able to plan your life years ahead)

https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/vertraege-reklamat...

Initial contract terms can be longer (up to 24 months) and as the site points out, the new rules only apply to new contracts, others can be up to annual.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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>but they're cheap Maybe they're cheap for a reason.

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Ok, but please post informative comments rather than putting others down.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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