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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by cyberlimerence »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #120
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107

Article 77 of the Korean Constitution: "1. When it is required to cope with a military necessity or to maintain the public safety and order by mobilization of the military forces in time of war, armed conict or similar national emergency, the President may proclaim martial law as prescribed by law. 2. Martial law shall be of two types, extraordinary martial law and precautionary martial law. 3. Under extraordinary ma…

It sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this?

From Yonhap (Korea state news): "Activities related to National Assembly, political parties banned: martial law commander." [1] "Entry, exit from National Assembly blocked after declaration of martial law." [2]

[1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013900315 [2] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013200315

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by [deleted] »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #49
petesergeant wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unclear if it’s better if they do or they don’t. On one hand it’s clearly against the interests of the country to support him, on the other hand democracies absolutely don’t want the military taking any domestic political role

When someone declares martial law, that means that they intend to use the military to enforce their rule. At that point the military has been told to take a domestic political role - it wasn't the military's choice. Of course, the military could refuse. In the abstract, I think that might be ideal. (I don't know enough to say whether that would be ideal in this situation.)

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by rascul »

aurareturn wrote: post #67
bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

Terrorists

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by ethbr1 »

llm_trw wrote: post #88
bluGill wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just link in France. France is in the midst of a government fall, but this is something built into how they do democracy and so a new one is expected to form in a few months on the backs of their democratic process. This is instead a rejection of the democratic process. I don't know enough about SK's internals to say if the democratic process is already dead because of corruption (as the leader claims), or if the…

>Not just link in France. France is in the midst of a government fall, but this is something built into how they do democracy and so a new one is expected to form in a few months on the backs of their democratic process. The longest a French Republic has lasted is 70 years. The fifth republic is today 66 years old. The ordinary can turn into the extraordinary in an afternoon.

Or, as the quip goes, as soon as the bread gets too expensive in Paris.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by uoaei »

Ekaros wrote: post #98
aurareturn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

Far-right, Trump, Incels, White-Males, Patriarchy... Pick your poison...

The view from inside a bubble

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JoshTriplett »

bluGill wrote: post #44
MrMcCall wrote: post #19

It's a very brief news article but this caught my eye: "He has also been dismissing calls for independent investigations into scandals involving his wife and top officials" Well, there's a standard motive. And, if there's two things that seems constant in conservative politics, it's that they don't want anything to change (by defintion of 'conservative'), and they do seem to be forever embroiled in accusations of cor…

Take the conservative out of that. You see it in every human. If it isn't in you it means you are carefully suppressing it. Often those who seem to be suppressing it are really just aware they would be caught and so the image of being honest is important to maintain. The above should not be confused with values. Many people abusing power really have values against what they are doing. They have just figuring out how…

> If it isn't in you it means you are carefully suppressing it.

This is false and excessively cynical. There are genuinely good people who have values and live up to those values, without hypocrisy, and that doesn't mean they have "carefully suppressed" desires to do otherwise.

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Post by fazeirony »

fazeirony wrote: post #108
aurareturn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by bilbo0s »

samsonradu wrote: post #75
aurareturn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Who is that virtual enemy for the US?

The enemy within? https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-enemies-from-within-...

Yep.

Pretty much everyone.

Only difference in which enemy is pointed to, is who you ask.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by NewLincoln »

alephnerd wrote: post #6
cuuupid wrote: post #4

Can someone ELI5 if this is a huge deal (like declaring martial law would be in the west), or if this is the equivalent of a "government shutdown" when similar budget impasses occur in the US?

Massive deal. South Korea is a new democracy and sudden impositions of martial law harken back to the 1970s-80s when military rule existed. Best case, this is a blatant attempt at a self coup d'etat. Worst case, North Korea actually engaged in war.

If we're just blindly speculating, why limit it to a tiny window of worst case outcomes. Political stunt? Strong message being sent to NK based on some intel that isn't public?

Obviously none of us know the details yet but there are clearly better possible outcomes than a full on coup.

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Post by llm_trw »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #128
llm_trw wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not just link in France. France is in the midst of a government fall, but this is something built into how they do democracy and so a new one is expected to form in a few months on the backs of their democratic process. The longest a French Republic has lasted is 70 years. The fifth republic is today 66 years old. The ordinary can turn into the extraordinary in an afternoon.

Sure, but I seem to recall the leader of the last republic was De Gaulle. The first leader of the current republic was also De Gaulle. It was just him consolidating his political base.

It was France avoiding the Spanish Civil war.
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