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Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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Gold is used to make things. You can argue what its value should be as a material alone, but it’s not entirely speculation.

BTC is used for trade. You know, drugs etc. And money laundering. Sanctions busting. Tax avoidance. It has a lot of utility...

BTC is pretty bad for illegal activity since the transactions are public.

You'd be much better off using the US Dollar. Even if it's through a bank like HSBC.

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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Crypto can be used as a store of wealth when crossing borders preventing search and seizure of your wealth against overzealous governments. See Russia in the early 90s which would regularly search and confiscate cash from people leaving. That alone makes it very valuable.

What's the scenario where the government can take the digital money from your bank accounts but can't take the digital money from your crypto wallet?

> What's the scenario where the government can take the digital money from your bank accounts but can't take the digital money from your crypto wallet?

In cryptocurrency's defense (I am not a Bitcoiner), it not as easy for them to do that, because they can't just order a bank to transfer it/freeze it....assuming the owner is going through a lot of elaborate, inconvenient, and easy to footgun security measures. If you have a Coinbase wallet you're in exactly the same situation as if you had cash in the bank.

HOWEVER, the cost people pay to get that is stupidly high. For every suave international drug dealer who's kept their money out of the hands of the evil government with Bitcoin, you probably have 1,000 dudes or more, who lost the keys to their wallet somehow or got their Bitcoin stolen in a hack.

So you probably shouldn't be worrying to much about duh gubbament.

And then, the obligatory xkcd about crypto: https://xkcd.com/538/ / https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/09/forget-hacking-this....

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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I know you are being snarky, but i think its worth pointing out that ever increasing prices is bad for a medium of exchange not good. The higher prices decreases the liklihood of it being used like a currency.

by that logic people would not buy TVs or memory cards

Errr, by their logic people wouldn't use TVs or memory cards as "cash". Which they don't.

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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So I suppose people must use it all the time to buy goods and services. Right?

Yes. All the time, just not for the things you and I buy such as groceries and transportation. Instead Bitcoin is used to buy illegal products and services such as drugs, weapons, politicians and hit men

ah the old debunked story "but crypto is used only for crime"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/haileylennon/2021/01/19/the-fal...

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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Soon this will all collapse, reaching all time highs isn't a good thing. Pyramid scheme at best, ponzi scheme at worst. I still don't know any use case for this other than speculation and people aren't even using it in the real world.

> Pyramid scheme at best, ponzi scheme at worst.

Neither: it's just another commodity, like gold.

And like gold it has psychological value but questionable use cases (gold's is mostly jewelry). But, like Beanie Babys or anything else (diamonds), it is "valuable" because people think it is valuable.

People assign things to value things, like shiny and non-shiny rocks:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones

and Bitcoin is no different: it's a digital rock.

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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What's the best way to sell ~50 BTC these days?

Place it as a sell order on the trading book, above the current price. That way you are a market maker, and pay no fees. 50BTC is small potatoes, you aren't going to move the market.

Thanks - but imagine I got these things in 2012 and have been totally uninterested since then. What's "the trading book?"

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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post #45
post #11

So I suppose people must use it all the time to buy goods and services. Right?

I know you are being snarky, but i think its worth pointing out that ever increasing prices is bad for a medium of exchange not good. The higher prices decreases the liklihood of it being used like a currency.

It seems implausible that its price will increase forever. If your concern is that a bitcoin is an inconveniently large unit of value, like a kilogram of gold, you can subdivide it into individual satoshis even on the public blockchain, and at the current price of roughly US$100k per bitcoin, a satoshi is roughly a tenth of a penny, which seems adequately subdivisible to me. If Bitcoin improbably ended up at US$10M per bitcoin, it would still be a dime, which is probably still okay.

Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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It has in dollar terms but it still hasn't on an inflation adjusted basis. One bitcoin today has less purchasing power than at its peak in November 2021. The dollar has lost about 12.5% since then so the true all time high would be around $79250.

I have it charted against the Malaysian Ringgit. It was 347k BTC/MYR high this year, compared to 326k today.
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