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What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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post #128

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A ban just means that a group of bureaucrats decided to take public action against a specific person and not against others. Carlsen, Nakamura and chess.com itself have participated in the Niemann witch hunt. No evidence of over-the-board cheating has ever been provided. None of the accusers is banned. Kramnik did the same as they did (by indeed going too far).

I think there is difference between "accusing tons of people" and "using his column as a platform to attack people" vs "accusing that one person in one instance". It is actually perfectly fine to not ban people doing something wrong one or two times while banning people doing that exact thing for fifth time.

No, the difference is between a well connected mob going after a single person (Niemann) vs. a single person going after several.

The former is always excused, presumably because people's ancient group instincts kick in. The latter is a single heretic that must be destroyed.

The group does much more damage than the individual. Everyone already thought that Kramnik's pseudo-mathematical evidence was garbage, so why the ban? The answer is that he mentioned well connected people like Nakamura, so the rogue nail needed to be hammered in.

Groups are never punished, and 95% of Internet commenters always excuse the group.

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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post #131
post #128

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I think there is difference between "accusing tons of people" and "using his column as a platform to attack people" vs "accusing that one person in one instance". It is actually perfectly fine to not ban people doing something wrong one or two times while banning people doing that exact thing for fifth time.

No, the difference is between a well connected mob going after a single person (Niemann) vs. a single person going after several. The former is always excused, presumably because people's ancient group instincts kick in. The latter is a single heretic that must be destroyed. The group does much more damage than the individual. Everyone already thought that Kramnik's pseudo-mathematical evidence was garbage, so why th…

No, Kramnik deserved a ban because he was going after not-well-connected, young, up-and-coming players who have no other recourse to defend themselves. Nakamura made it very clear that he was not going to tolerate this because it jeopardizes the future of the game.

Niemann was already an admitted cheater who had been previously sanctioned for his activities. Carlsen’s accusations against him may have been unfounded for the specific game in question but Niemann’s reputation was already blemished. Niemann’s lawsuit was inexcusable though, as it was essentially a SLAPP [1] designed to hinder everyone’s efforts to get cheating out of chess. Thankfully the lawsuit was unsuccessful and Niemann continues to play chess.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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So you need to send a few bytes of information every few seconds, but you want to spam the network with UDP packets containing those few bytes?

Every single online multiplayer game that cares about latency reimplements a subset of HTTP over UDP.

>reimplements a subset of HTTP over UDP.

TCP, although I like to imagine FPS games where shooting someone sends "DELETE /players/n00b HTTP/1.1" to the server.

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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post #131
post #128

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I think there is difference between "accusing tons of people" and "using his column as a platform to attack people" vs "accusing that one person in one instance". It is actually perfectly fine to not ban people doing something wrong one or two times while banning people doing that exact thing for fifth time.

No, the difference is between a well connected mob going after a single person (Niemann) vs. a single person going after several. The former is always excused, presumably because people's ancient group instincts kick in. The latter is a single heretic that must be destroyed. The group does much more damage than the individual. Everyone already thought that Kramnik's pseudo-mathematical evidence was garbage, so why th…

Three new accounts just so you can keep agreeing with yourself, huh?

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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What I'd love is for my pre-moves to be sent to the server immediately so I don't time out when I pre-moved.

The worst part is they call it an intentional choice. "First off, premoves take 0.1 seconds. That is what has been preferred and agreed upon by most professional players we have consulted on the topic. They prefer .1 to .0 for premove. This is also what other chess servers do."[1] It's super annoying and the reason I only play blitz+ on chesscom. [1] https://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/mate-in-one-qu...

Well, I'm not sure about "most professional players" but I strongly prefer .0 to .1

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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Sometimes simplicity is not the best goal. Redundancy, scalability, decoupling, resilience, best possible handling of errors, cost optimization, etc. may be more important at the scale Netflix operates at.

For Netflix level of complexity. Pornhub has more traffic and serves more customer than Netflix with monolithic PHP and some services.

They require completely different levels of viewing patterns and complexity. It’s such a reductionist take.

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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And scalachess is written in scala, to piggyback off a post earlier this month that claimed the language is dead. The project is very successful and has been around and maintained for years.

If all the Rust people knew how nice Scala 3 as a language is... they would be surprised. What still isn't great is the ecosystem and the build-tooling compared to Rust (part of it because of the JVM). But just language-wise, it basically has all the goodies of Rust and much more. Ofc. it's easier for Scala to have that because it does not have to balance against zero-overhead abstraction like Rust does. Still, Scala…

https://bleep.build is a very promising tool for building Scala projects. I like it more than I like cargo

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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> - l: Probably some length? I don't understand why the author didn't just look this up in the source code. Lichess is open source and we can see exactly what this field is here, it's the average lag: https://github.com/lichess-org/lila/blob/45b5f0cfbbf6c045ad7... send = (t: string, d: any, o: any = {}, noRetry = false): void => { const msg: Partial = { t }; if (d !== undefined) { if (o.withLag) d.l = Math.round(this…

To be fair, the author already put tons of work into this post. Don't begrudge them for not doing even more.

I don't begrudge the author, I'm just surprised given the otherwise high quality of the analysis, including him looking at other parts of the source code.

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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post #114

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I could elaborate, but rather, let me ask you this instead since its more relevant. What is the point of responding with any legitimate criticism when any potentially negative sentiment however mild, upfront, expressing disagreement, gets downvoted to the point where the mechanics of the website squelches the person and silences them (by purposeful intent). Can you ever have any legitimate intelligent conversation af…

It seems like your negative sentiment above has been downvoted a lot, and I understand your frustration. Your comment was indeed not offensive. But I believe it was just that: a negative sentiment. Not exactly a "constructive, intelligent criticism". And when you go there, the reality is that people will vote to reflect their own opinion. If you say "This project is so amazing!" and get a ton of upvotes, it does not…

There is no point, even my previous response was significantly downvoted, and that was quite constructive which contradicts your entire statement.

You might suggest such, but this has the effect of just baiting me for a response so it can be marked down more where you are engaging me for the effect to further punish.

You see these people don't do this because of their opinion, they do it because it causes psychological harm, its a totalitarian tactic that is not unknown. Silencing was used somewhat heavily during Hitler's rise to power.

Forcing the only conversation to first agree before moving forward, at any point, causes you to fight your own psychology to remain consistent and the process warps you subtly. Most aren't self-reflective enough to notice but the effect is the same regardless.

Robert Cialdini wrote quite a lot about the various lever of influences that are often used as mental compulsion/coercion, and Joost Meerloo and Robert Lifton both cover these structures and techniques in detail in the context of WW2 torture and moving forward. These behavioral structures run parallel with those of the Nazi's, and other totalitarian regimes.

This is what is happening, and when mild conversation causes this type of behavior, this is the time you should be most greatly concerned because its arbitrary, causes mass delusion, and continues until destruction, albeit slow, overtakes that group.

As far as I'm concerned, the people doing this can ride their train right to their own demise for all I care. They are true evil, and they'll be doing the world a favor when that happens. The rules of society will no longer protect them once they destroy society.

We were taught from children to not be violent. This is violence, there is no excuse for bullying, and people are no better than animals if they can't reason and be civil. What one does in small things, they do first in large things that matter.

If they want to be violent for a mild comment like that, they won't get anything from me, and I'll reciprocate in the only way I can right now, withdrawing and not providing anything of value.

I'll pray I never meet them in person because if you or anyone else tries to harm me, I'll be exacting an equal or greater cost in self-defense.

This destructive behavior is despicable on so many levels, and you say its not so bad but you don't realize just how bad it gets, this behavior promoting menticide, and robotization is what led to the gas chambers in Germany during WW2.

When no one questions rationally, or can express disagreement, evil flourishes. You can't ever argue with evil, you have to kill it, as we had to do during WW2 (at great cost).

Read the notes from the Wannasee Conference, or if you can't be bothered, rent Conspiracy (2001). The history is well documented by experts who studied these things to prevent it from ever happening again, and yet it seems no one has learned their lessons since they repeat it yet again.

They are emotional beings (/s), can you imagine that being a valid defense of Nazism during WW2? For the deaths of all those Jews in the camps? If it's unjustifiable at the extremes, it is unjustifiable anywhere.

These are the same things, the only difference is perspective and the fact that you don't have perfect information upfront at the bottom level, you only ever find out afterwards, and its a goose-step death march ever forward and people don't realize this is how it works. One step at a time, pivoting, with no questions.

This is only the beginning, and when you can't stop it early, then its too late to do anything later to prevent the massive destruction that these people inevitably bring on themselves and everyone else.

This is why it is so damn important to protect and maintain freedom of speech in a civil atmosphere. There can be no rational support for this behavior, not ever.

Please stop making excuses for the truly evil.

Re: What happens when you make a move in lichess.org?

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post #10

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For those curious about the illegal move, it seems like it's allowing queen side castling through the king side rook (or vice versa). eg. if this is the first rank, R _ _ R K _ _ _, then you could make the move O-O-O and end up with _ _ _ R K _ _ _ Naturally, it's not possible to view this move anymore, but this game ( https://lichess.org/XDQeUk6j#48 ) has everything up until the last legal move right before the ille…

Wow it just ate the rook huh?

seriously...how'd it vanish?
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