It's $25... why not just suspend the program? Seems mostly harmless considering they're getting paid $400k a year...
How can you keep trusting that person's judgement if this is what they do when given only $25 of responsibility?
Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
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Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who cares? Have you seen the profit margins at these stingy-ass companies?
>Who cares? Have you seen the profit margins at these stingy-ass companies? Should stealing be excused just because you're doing it to some wealthy entity? The problem with the "it's OK to steal from them because they're in a position of privilege and I'm not" justification logic, is that then the poor/homeless guy around the block should also be ok to rob you or break into your car because "who cares, have you seen…
> Should stealing be excused just because you're doing it to some wealthy entity?
Absolutely!
> The problem with the "it's OK to steal from them because they're in a position of privilege and I'm not" justification logic, is that then the poor/homeless guy around the block should also be ok to rob you or break into your car because "who cares, have you seen the fat wages those techies are raking in?"
False equivalence. But also, I'm absolutely ok with this.
> Have Meta done a lot of nasty stuff that they should be punished for? Definitely. But that's another topic they need to be held accountable for by the law, and should never be a justification to green light stealing since two wrongs don't make a right and you don't want to live in a society where stealing is normalized as long as you think you're doing it to someone more priviledged than you.
I'm completely fine with this world.
Hilariously, you could have made this argument a lot better by indicating perception of privilege is subjective. But you didn't—and instead only produced examples that should be ok to anyone with an ounce of morality.
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#133I had to watch a video about this issue 20 years ago. If the company can't trust you with small amounts of money, they can't trust you at all. I've seen people forfeit bonuses over smaller infractions- the lesson is don't steal small amounts of money
And this is a company people trust with their data, if the employees can’t be held to and meet higher moral standards they shouldn’t be there.
…maybe Zuck is exempt though? (https://www.15minutebusinessbooks.com/blog/2019/07/26/you-ca...)
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, agreed - Meta and other corporations are trying to do what is probably best supported by a government program so obviously they run into limits. But trying anything like that here is "socialism".
And here I am wondering why Meta needs a 'government program' for it's employees
Why should it be limited to Meta? It benefits restaurants near workplaces and as a local government you want some closeness in location to reduce traffic and to increase spending and thus tax revenue.
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are we sure the people with $400k salaries abusing a company food voucher program to buy toothpaste aren’t the stingy ones?
Are you asking the right question when instead of just being paid the employer is engaging in the sordid practice of "company scrip" with more layers? Employers should not be exercising control over how compensation is used. Period.
They weren't.it wasn't compensation.
The employees were stealing from the company coffee jar
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Who cares? Have you seen the profit margins at these stingy-ass companies? Should stealing be excused just because you're doing it to some wealthy entity? The problem with the "it's OK to steal from them because they're in a position of privilege and I'm not" justification logic, is that then the poor/homeless guy around the block should also be ok to rob you or break into your car because "who cares, have you seen…
> Should stealing be excused just because you're doing it to some wealthy entity? Absolutely! > The problem with the "it's OK to steal from them because they're in a position of privilege and I'm not" justification logic, is that then the poor/homeless guy around the block should also be ok to rob you or break into your car because "who cares, have you seen the fat wages those techies are raking in?" False equivalenc…
Please share your address. I would like some of your property.
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Meta gave a voucher for lunch. If you don’t buy lunch you don’t get to use the voucher for whatever else you want, that is theft.
Right, so then the most optimal outcome is always buying food even if you don't need it, and perhaps even throwing the food away immediately. If your total comes out 22.00, then go ahead and buy 6 ranch dips and bring it up to 25.00. Now, it's not stealing. Does this outcome feel more morally correct to you? I think, if you answer "no", then your logic on how this stealing works is faulty.
How is it optimal for me to buy food and throw it away?
I gain literally nothing and waste my time?
I can't fathom how this makes sense unless the value you are trying to optimize is waste.
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the blaring loud message I just received is "do not under any circumstances try to expense anything, ever." did you not read the article? the message was, quite reasonably, "don't take the fucking piss, if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner".
> did you not read the article? That's obviously not a serious question, so it doesn't deserve a response. > if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner I don't know whether there even is a "message", but if I worked for a company that just fired a bunch of people for discrepancies in really minor expense reports I would simply avoid submitting an expense report for somethi…
These aren't expense reports. They are digital vouchers.
Imagine if your boss has a stack of gift cards on their desk in case people need a taxi home, and some employees start using it as their personal expense fund.
If I was looking to fire someone, the thieves would be at the top of the list.
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
kind of like "accidentally" using a company business card to go to Disneyland, and then doing it several times over months.
Except a toothpaste is maybe a buck, and going to Disneyland is very expensive. Or have we just forgotten reasonableness? We can just... extrapolate anything to anything?
That was to illustrate the principle. If you agree, we can look at something with the same magnitude.
Imagine if your boss has a stack of gift cards on their desk in case people need a taxi home, and some employees start using it as their personal Amazon shopping.
The vouchers had a specific purpose.
If I was looking to fire someone, the thieves would be at the top of the list.
Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> did you not read the article? That's obviously not a serious question, so it doesn't deserve a response. > if we give you food vouchers to buy your dinner, then use it for buying yourself dinner I don't know whether there even is a "message", but if I worked for a company that just fired a bunch of people for discrepancies in really minor expense reports I would simply avoid submitting an expense report for somethi…
These aren't expense reports. They are digital vouchers. Imagine if your boss has a stack of gift cards on their desk in case people need a taxi home, and some employees start using it as their personal expense fund. If I was looking to fire someone, the thieves would be at the top of the list.
Huh, I've never seen a digital voucher before. How do they work? And how can the employer detect what the employee uses it for?
I guess the net result is the same? It seems accepting the digital voucher comes with a huge risk--what if they decide to object to the establishment or your food choice? So just.. bring a sandwich for lunch instead or pay with your own money...
EDIT: the important thing to remember as a U.S. employee is that--just like every interaction with the police is grounds for arrest--every interaction with your employer is grounds for dismissal. So minimize those interactions.
ANOTHER EDIT: which restaurants or food trucks accept these "digital vouchers"? Are these some kind of apple wallet type thing on your phone? So it only works at places with certain payment equipment? Many places I like to eat only take cash..