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Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Yes, and physical embodiments vary considerably. When software can relocate its source code and data in seconds or less, containment strategies begin to look increasingly bleak. The field of AI safety has written extensively about misunderstandings and overoptimism regarding off switches and boxing.

Hard? sure. Impossible? No This is a non-trivial error. Let's not dive into the geopolitics of kill switches and decentralized systems when we are discussing trivial mistakes. AI, like any software, is not an ethereal being, like us it is limited by our mortal coils. This is true for extant systems, if anyone, layman or PHD were to say that TikTok or facebook, wechat or bitcoin or ethereum, USD tether has no physicia…

Of course I grant the above point that software systems are not "ethereal". They have a physical form: often as electromagnetic states in matter.

I hope my contribution to the conversation was clear: the nature of the physical embodiment matters. Things that are easy and cheap to copy are harder to contain. Containment of intelligent systems is very difficult, based on what we know about human flaws and security systems.

>> When software can relocate its source code and data in seconds or less, containment strategies begin to look increasingly bleak.

> Hard? sure. Impossible? No

I don't need to claim that containment is impossible, just really hard. I'm interested in planning across a range of scenarios. Given human foibles, we should plan for scenarios where AIs get out of the box and can spread rapidly and widely.

See also: "Guidelines for Artificial Intelligence Containment" at https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.08476

Imagine two possible AI containment failure scenarios. In the first, say it is feasible to "shut everything down" by disconnecting power. In the second, say humans have to resort to a combination of kinetic force and cyberattacks. For both, a likely next step would resemble the global health to eradicate smallpox. It would require tremendous effort and cost to bring the system back online while proving that no copies of the rogue AI exist.

Would such coordinated responses by humanity be possible? Possible, yes. Likely? Estimating this is hard. I, for one, am not optimistic when it comes to international cooperation generally, much less for ones involving high complexity.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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> would drastically speed up progress What does progress even mean here ? Every AI advance is controlled by big corps - power will be concentrated with them Would Amodei build this if there was no economic payoff on the other side ?

Author here built his framework around "country of geniuses", but he never mentioned the independence status of this country. So is it a country with all the geniuses enslaved by Acme Corp CEO, or is it a country of independent geniuses who are smart enough to quickly realise they need to get rid of inferior life form for the greater good which is imperceptible to us? Either way, having this country work for you personally would be the biggest dream of every human ever corrupted with power a slightest bit.

The "Aligned AI" definition is very scarce as well. If that disgusting sloppy censorship-work implemented in their current model is what they call "alignment", then potentially it does more harm than it's trying to prevent.

By the way, Dario Amodei, when will it be possible to remove my credit card data from your databases?

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