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Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by BoredPositron »

vrinsd wrote: post #22
BoredPositron wrote: post #16

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Not great, not terrible. The android support is hit and miss and the official store is mostly full of junk. Their SDK is rudimentary and there is close to no documentation. After they signed a deal with the russian state I gave up on them. I am on Plasma now which has an overall better experience.

Do you use Plasma on a phone or tablet? If phone, can you say which hardware platform and how "well" it works as an actual phone, making calls, texting, etc?

On a OnePlus 6 with mobian. GPS is spotty and the camera quality is not as good as on android but it's acceptable.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by distances »

written-beyond wrote: post #21
distances wrote: post #13

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For those curious, it's a continuation from where Nokia left with their Linux efforts, that's the roots in a nutshell. They did ship a smartphone with their own hardware in 2013. I still have it in my drawer. Definitely ambitious, and an achievement, for a small company tackle OS, hardware, dev experience, everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29

I had a Nokia N9, their second attempt at Meego/Maemo, to this date it's the weirdest consumer device I've ever owned. The device shipped with a front camera but it was not accessible through any default app. The closest I got to it working was a mirror app someone made in a Hackathon. Issues aside it was a beautifully designed device, you could see real innovation. Unfortunately Nokia killed it before it even shippe…

I had N9 too. Probably my favourite phone of all times, I even published an app for it despite knowing it's a dead end platform.

I think I was expecting Jolla to be a close N9 successor, but I couldn't get over their UI/UX style and switched to Android soon after.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by written-beyond »

distances wrote: post #132
written-beyond wrote: post #21

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I had a Nokia N9, their second attempt at Meego/Maemo, to this date it's the weirdest consumer device I've ever owned. The device shipped with a front camera but it was not accessible through any default app. The closest I got to it working was a mirror app someone made in a Hackathon. Issues aside it was a beautifully designed device, you could see real innovation. Unfortunately Nokia killed it before it even shippe…

I had N9 too. Probably my favourite phone of all times, I even published an app for it despite knowing it's a dead end platform. I think I was expecting Jolla to be a close N9 successor, but I couldn't get over their UI/UX style and switched to Android soon after.

I had a Blackberry Z10 after the N9. Even though they were very different in their goals, it felt very much like a spiritual successor. BB OS10 dying as soon as it did really hits me to this date.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by yazzku »

lproven wrote: post #98
clhodapp wrote: post #30

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What's the significance of the company being Finnish?

* From the home of the prior market leaders in mobile phones; * Presumably contains many former engineers from that company; * From a free democratic EU state, not somewhere untraceable and not governed by Western laws; * As a European product enjoys more legal privacy protection and security than either American or many Asian vendors. Those are the ones that spring to mind.

* Not a yolo VC-backed project from Silicon Valley that becomes abandonware two years later.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by gbraad »

gbraad wrote: post #61
desdenova wrote: post #3

I wish it was feasible to have alternative mobile systems, but it's not really. You can't simply give up every popular app for a system nobody else uses or develops for. Sailfish has Android emulation, but good luck running banking apps without Google SafetyNet. Even pure Android ROMs, like LineageOS, can't do that. Also good luck with proprietary firmware for mobile networking and cameras. Another thing that usually…

>SafetyNet PlayIntegrityFix I hear

for the downvoter, it is a tool people use to deal with this.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by SanjayMehta »

m4rtink wrote: post #119
SanjayMehta wrote: post #49

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Android apps on Sailfish were rarely usable, if they worked at all. One issue I remember, because it caused us a lot of grief was GPS. The android app would not get an accurate fix unless a Sailfish app first woke up the GPS and obtained an accurate lock.

Well, again, while not covering all aspects of mobile apps, it could run Android apps at a time no other mobile Linux (or any other non-Android device could do it).

True, but in the “my horse can sing” category. Not well, but it can sing.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by lproven »

yazzku wrote: post #134
lproven wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* From the home of the prior market leaders in mobile phones; * Presumably contains many former engineers from that company; * From a free democratic EU state, not somewhere untraceable and not governed by Western laws; * As a European product enjoys more legal privacy protection and security than either American or many Asian vendors. Those are the ones that spring to mind.

* Not a yolo VC-backed project from Silicon Valley that becomes abandonware two years later.

:-) That too!

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by BSDobelix »

fractallyte wrote: post #93
saidinesh5 wrote: post #66

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I think he's talking about how they(?) market it as open alternative to Android but most of the UI and apps were proprietary. Some people also don't like it that they had some deal with the Russian Government.

If BSDobelix had done some basic research, this would have turned up: "In 2024, to escape Russia's investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy, continuing its activity under the JollyBoys name." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla ) Quite a gutsy move, in my opinion, and as far away from "near scam" as can be.

I have nothing written about Russia nor Ukraine, but closed source software and the promised "pre-order" jolla tablet.

However it's interesting that a Finnish company files bankruptcy and had that much investors from Russia, so thanks for a additional point....and that name JollyBoy...

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by dengolius »

BSDobelix wrote: post #138
fractallyte wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If BSDobelix had done some basic research, this would have turned up: "In 2024, to escape Russia's investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy, continuing its activity under the JollyBoys name." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla ) Quite a gutsy move, in my opinion, and as far away from "near scam" as can be.

I have nothing written about Russia nor Ukraine, but closed source software and the promised "pre-order" jolla tablet. However it's interesting that a Finnish company files bankruptcy and had that much investors from Russia, so thanks for a additional point....and that name JollyBoy...

See https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2023/11/Former_leadership_...

AFAIK russian military uses the devices during the war and moreover, they are designed and approved by the russian government. I saw a few devices from https://auroraos.ru/ . https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D... - here is more history

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

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Post by dengolius »

BSDobelix wrote: post #138
fractallyte wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If BSDobelix had done some basic research, this would have turned up: "In 2024, to escape Russia's investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy, continuing its activity under the JollyBoys name." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla ) Quite a gutsy move, in my opinion, and as far away from "near scam" as can be.

I have nothing written about Russia nor Ukraine, but closed source software and the promised "pre-order" jolla tablet. However it's interesting that a Finnish company files bankruptcy and had that much investors from Russia, so thanks for a additional point....and that name JollyBoy...

Seems like it was just renamed https://tietopalvelu.ytj.fi/?companyName=Jollyboys&isCompany...
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