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Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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Post by worstspotgain »

SonOfLilit wrote: post #110
worstspotgain wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said, supporters included wary copyright holders and the bottom-market also-rans like Musk. If your model is barely holding up against Llama, what's the point of staying in.

And two of the three godfathers of AI, and all of the AI notkillaboutism crowd. Actually, wait, if Grok is losing to GPT, why would Musk care about Llama more than Altman? Llama hurts his competitor...

The market in my argument looks like OpenAI ~ Anthropic > Google >>> Meta (~ or maybe >) Musk/Alibaba. The top 3 aren't worried about the down-market stuff. You're free to disagree of course.

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Post by dyauspitr »

Lonestar1440 wrote: post #81

This is no way to run a state. The Democrat-dominated legislature passes everything that comes before it (and rejects anything that the GOP touches, in committee) and then the Governor needs to veto the looniest 20% of them to keep us from falling into total chaos. This AI bill was far from the worst one. "Vote out the legislators!" but for who... the Republican party? And we don't even get a choice on the general ba…

Compared to whom? What is this hypothetical well run state. Because it’s hard to talk shit against the state that has the 8th largest economy on the world nation state economy ranking.

Re: Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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Post by akira2501 »

Loughla wrote: post #93
akira2501 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and mandates audit requirements to prove that your models won't help people cause disasters Audits cannot prove anything and they offer no value when planning for the future. They're purely a retrospective tool that offers insights into potential risk factors. > and can be turned off. I really wish legislators would operate inside reality instead of a Star Trek episode.

>I really wish legislators would operate inside reality instead of a Star Trek episode. What are your thoughts about businesses like Google and Meta providing guidance and assistance to legislators?

If it happens in a public and open session of the legislature with multiple other sources of guidance and information available then that's how it's supposed to work.

I suspect this is not how the majority of "guidance" is actually being offered. I also guess this is probably a really good way to find new sources of campaign "donations." It's also a really good way for monopolistic players to keep a strangle hold on a nascent market.

Re: Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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Post by dyauspitr »

scoofy wrote: post #123

Newsom vetoes so many bills that it makes little sense why the legislature should even be taken seriously. Our Dem trifecta state has effectively become captured by the executive.

As opposed to what? The supermajority red states where gerrymandered counties look like corn mazes and the economy is in the shitter?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #120
dragonwriter wrote: post #119

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I'd much rather be poor in California than poor in mississippi

You say that, but being poor where everyone else is poor is generally better than being poor where you are surrounded by wealth.

Re: Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047

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Post by toephu2 »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #117
Lonestar1440 wrote: post #81

This is no way to run a state. The Democrat-dominated legislature passes everything that comes before it (and rejects anything that the GOP touches, in committee) and then the Governor needs to veto the looniest 20% of them to keep us from falling into total chaos. This AI bill was far from the worst one. "Vote out the legislators!" but for who... the Republican party? And we don't even get a choice on the general ba…

If California was it's own country, it would be one of the biggest most successful countries in the world. Like every where else it has it's problems but it's being run just fine. Objectively, there are many states that are far worse off in any key metric.

> but it's being run just fine

As a Californian I have to disagree. The only reason you think it's being run just fine is because of the success of the private sector. The only reason California would be the 4th/5th largest economy in the world is because of the the tech industry and other industries that are in California (Hollywood, agriculture, etc). It's not because we have some awesome efficiently run state government.

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Post by ken47 »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #117
Lonestar1440 wrote: post #81

This is no way to run a state. The Democrat-dominated legislature passes everything that comes before it (and rejects anything that the GOP touches, in committee) and then the Governor needs to veto the looniest 20% of them to keep us from falling into total chaos. This AI bill was far from the worst one. "Vote out the legislators!" but for who... the Republican party? And we don't even get a choice on the general ba…

If California was it's own country, it would be one of the biggest most successful countries in the world. Like every where else it has it's problems but it's being run just fine. Objectively, there are many states that are far worse off in any key metric.

You're going to attribute even a small % of this to politicians rather than the actual innovators? Sure, then let's say they're responsible for some small % of its success. They're smart enough to not nuke their own economy.

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Post by WWLink »

toephu2 wrote: post #136
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If California was it's own country, it would be one of the biggest most successful countries in the world. Like every where else it has it's problems but it's being run just fine. Objectively, there are many states that are far worse off in any key metric.

> but it's being run just fine As a Californian I have to disagree. The only reason you think it's being run just fine is because of the success of the private sector. The only reason California would be the 4th/5th largest economy in the world is because of the the tech industry and other industries that are in California (Hollywood, agriculture, etc). It's not because we have some awesome efficiently run state gove…

What are you getting at? Is a state government supposed to be profitable? LOL

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Post by chirau »

moomoo11 wrote: post #127
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd much rather be poor in California than poor in mississippi

Yep. As someone who moved to California I honestly can’t imagine living anywhere else. This state has so much good social programming and tries to do good for its people. It also helps that most Californians are awesome people. I’ve been in TX (hard nope), NY, NJ, VA, DC, OH, WA, OR, and MD. I would honestly never move out of California there’s no better place I can think of.

how would you rank the states you have lived in by those metrics(social programming + doing good for the people)?
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