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Notion's mid-life crisis

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Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Copyrighting, or copy-writing?

Maybe I should hire a copy-writer!

I really wasn't sure!

But to give you a more substantive response, I think the tastemakers are not in control in the slightest. Everything about Notion now screams "we don't give a crap about note-taking or personal wikis, we want a piece of that juicy enterprise market".

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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It still blows my mind that Google Docs still haven't taken over Notion's business altogether. I have used Notion for ~6 months for my own company, ended up going back to Google Docs because it was not worth it. I am sure there are a billion other uses of it, we weren't using any of its database-like features, just as an internal documentation platform, but still fascinating to see a business thrive on the lack of in…

I am not a huge fan of Notion either, but documentation organization is a huge strength of the tool. Google Docs is too heavy by comparison. Additionally, Notions database capabilities cannot be ignored. You can easily make Notion a task tracker that lives with your documentation. Huge.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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This is a fun piece of creative writing, but I’m not quite sure of the point it’s trying to make about Notion. Is it that Notion is no longer cool? That might be true but isn’t the most insightful comment. Is it about Notion the company languishing in some way?

Notion is jumping the shark by moving from being a notes organization / mini database product to trying to compete with Salesforce and Hubspot. Just completely a different sector / product.

I can see it.

I've been doing the sales engineer thing for a few years now. Salesforce management is a big part of my job, as this is what the salespeople use to track opportunities and deals.

The data that goes into SFDC is a big part of what gets reported on in sales/revenue forecasts, so it existing is extremely important and is a big reason why Marc Benioff has, like, a billion yachts.

At its core, SFDC is nothing more than a database and a shitload of plugins that enter stuff into that database.

Notion can, theoretically, do this as well.

Given how large the TAM is for revenue management software and how much Marc pays to acquire anything in his space, Notion chasing that market makes a lot of sense.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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post #9

This is a fun piece of creative writing, but I’m not quite sure of the point it’s trying to make about Notion. Is it that Notion is no longer cool? That might be true but isn’t the most insightful comment. Is it about Notion the company languishing in some way?

I used to use Notion daily. I switched to Anytype when Notion launched an AI tool that trains on your data. A bit more of a learning curve but that's an absolute no-go when a tool contains the inner workings of my brain. Plenty of comparable private options. Intellectual capital is rapidly being migrated from workers to shareholders under the guise of "AI". Imagine a world where C-suites no longer rely on or support…

You can turn Notion AI off in your tenant. It takes a few days, but support will do it. It's annoying that we have to ask instead of toggling a switch, but there you go.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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post #74

I enjoyed Notion at first for certain tasks, but it became much less enjoyable as everyone tried to force everything into emoji-laden Notion docs. The Notion spaces used by the Product and Program managers I worked with in the past few years have become a collection of half-finished documents that are always out of date, hard to find, and often superseded by some new Notion page they created but forgot to tell us abo…

I don't get why Notion is so popular either, but your complaints about it seem like a skill issue on the part of your managers. I see this a lot too, but in my experience it happens no matter the medium - Google Docs, Figma, Jira, etc. People who don't obsess over keeping it organized eventually spaghetti their documentation all over the place. I wouldn't expect the kinds of people who need to be convinced of the wor…

Try writing documentation in confluence and you’ll get why Notion is preferable. Also go try to find something you wrote in confluence six months ago.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Apple Notes is underrated. There is no flashy features to distract you. Just you and your notes.

I strongly disagree for these reasons: - note data stored in a proprietary format - no way to access note data from other apps/api - no way to export in bulk, or in any other format than PDF (a terrible format for notes) - iCloud sync is a mildly terrifying thing to entrust important data to I use Apple Notes for the occasional quick grocery list but that's about it.

iCloud notes really needs a markdown mode or a non-WYSIWYG mode.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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post #55

Another anecdote added to the "I don't get notion" pile. I just don't get notion. I use Apple Notes for everything id use notion for + scratch.txt on every project folder root. (i've used notion, quip, gdocs, dropbox paper) Notion lives rent free in my mind because while im indifferent to it, people seem to LOVE it. and that's so fascinating. even this article, I upvoted it because the conversation about notion is in…

Notion is popular with college/university students, which is why there are a billion "Notion Template" videos online. Many have productized their templates and turned them into something to sell -- sort of like selling notebooks with Cornell note-taking method pattern built in, back in the old days.

I see it at similar to Figma in the sense that both tools are cloud-based and free, and their users love yapping about it.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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This is a fun piece of creative writing, but I’m not quite sure of the point it’s trying to make about Notion. Is it that Notion is no longer cool? That might be true but isn’t the most insightful comment. Is it about Notion the company languishing in some way?

I imported a friend of mine's Notion into Fraxinus, some software I wrote that is a bookmark manager and a webcrawler and an image sorter and a search engine and annotation system and a visualization tool and is likely to get merged with my YOShInOn RSS reader and model trainer (might eat all my side projects that aren't about images and VR.) It's a tool for understanding, organizing and harvesting a collection of do…

Is there a way to try your Fraxinus system?

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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Notion and Obsidian will be dead in couple years.

I see academics going crazy with Obsidian to organize and link their precious little ideas and research articles together. But, only to create an overwhelming mess that they will be afraid to look back to in couple years.

Anybody, remember MindMap? Same idea as Obsidian and it is all but dead at this point.

Re: Notion's mid-life crisis

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post #25

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I started as an Obsidian user, and generally I like the fact that it's just Markdown, but markdown tables really suck, to the point that I simply ended up avoiding them at all costs, and I used OnlyOffice's Excel equivalent in parallel to Obsidian for a while. But Notion has good tables by default, so I can have both good tables (and tableviews) and normal text files in the same app. I could have tried Obsidian plugi…

I just migrated everything out of Notion into Ibsidian. Notion was unusable after more than a few hundred items in a DB. I migrated to using dataview and lists in Obsidian and haven't had a problem since. And it works offline. I use it for my workout logbook and cooking/recipe log with hundreds of entries.

I find DataView to be clunky as well. Data entry is not easy (I'm currently using "DB Folder" and it helps but it's quirky) and each-row-is-a-file does not give great performance.
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