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Being Raised by the Internet

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Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by photonthug »

pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

In the long long ago before social media and amongst a certain type of people, the answer to “where are you from?” would be something like “the internet”, and the connotations were positive.

It meant that you were from a small shitty place that nobody ever heard of, but you had transcended those humble origins to become a being of pure information, sharing thoughts, philosophy and maybe code with other similar beings, and that physical location was irrelevant and really the whole idea of it was quite vulgar.

I suppose we are still sharing thoughts now, but times change, and the real struggle is transcending the vulgarity of the internet and going back to meatspace.

Hmm. These days if you don’t like discussing where you’re from, there’s no equivalent answer that immediately reveals interests, while pushing back on the presumption of getting a real answer. Being from “the library” is maybe closest in spirit in terms of being infotropic and on an autodidactic mission, but urban people will think you are homeless, and rural people will think you are a weird librarian.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by night862 »

kragen wrote: post #127
orcim wrote: post #121

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Many have definitely been motivated by the wish to share information. But there also wasn't much of an alternative. If you wanted to actively learn something, get someone else to use it, or get them to share what they knew, you almost had to interact with others. Which doesn't mean there wasn't a genuine want to help others. But it was also wanting what you shared to become better. Something that was a direct consequ…

i mean, you could totally solve a problem yourself and not write it up. i did that lots of times too! it'll be interesting to see what happens with llms and things like stack exchange

Well, it isn’t great. Computers are logic, and LLM tools are not really able to derive logic from language.

Is there is enough logic q&a yeah they manage to produce something like what people talk about.

My experience with this has been terrible, I find them useless.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by TZubiri »

pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

"When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities."

Yes, that is definitely personal, there are many other types of internet upbringings.

Take a look at the most viewed videos on youtube and you will be enlightened into a more recent type of internet upbringing.

The most popular category of videos on youtube are baby videos. Parents literally leave their 1 or 2 year old toddlers with their ipad. Those kids won't go into 4chan, it's a new generation.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by TZubiri »

doubled112 wrote: post #39
HPsquared wrote: post #32

We are going to see a lot of children (and adults) raised by chatbots. Asking them for advice, confiding in them where real people don't seem safe, etc. Through the looking glass! Still, definitely better than asking Reddit for relationship advice

Red flags galore. You should divorce immediately. Not the asshole. I do fear, in the long term, what happens to those chat logs? Surely they will be used for training later on, and being anonymous doesn't always work out. Will the viewer be more AI bots? Human employees? Law enforcement? A dump on 4chan?

You should divorce them as your husband is a man, and I like women.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by kragen »

night862 wrote: post #132
kragen wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i mean, you could totally solve a problem yourself and not write it up. i did that lots of times too! it'll be interesting to see what happens with llms and things like stack exchange

Well, it isn’t great. Computers are logic, and LLM tools are not really able to derive logic from language. Is there is enough logic q&a yeah they manage to produce something like what people talk about. My experience with this has been terrible, I find them useless.

monsieur, what good is a new-born baby?

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by TZubiri »

doubled112 wrote: post #39
HPsquared wrote: post #32

We are going to see a lot of children (and adults) raised by chatbots. Asking them for advice, confiding in them where real people don't seem safe, etc. Through the looking glass! Still, definitely better than asking Reddit for relationship advice

Red flags galore. You should divorce immediately. Not the asshole. I do fear, in the long term, what happens to those chat logs? Surely they will be used for training later on, and being anonymous doesn't always work out. Will the viewer be more AI bots? Human employees? Law enforcement? A dump on 4chan?

One of the things that bit me is one of those anti-system videos where they tell you not to speak to police or whatever. Turns out it's better just to say "hi officer, yes officer, no officer" than spending the night in jail for absolutely no reason other than "the internet taught me how to react to police answering questions."

A more harmless example is when I read that the best way to clean cooking oil spills was to add salt to absorb the oil. Didn't work, leaves more of a mess.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by kragen »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #130
lukan wrote: post #106

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"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

I'm old and fortunate enough to have gotten on the Internet in 1993, when it was smaller, more communal, and less commercial. As much as we old-timers lament the direction things have gone, there are still corners of the Internet where people still help each other, where people seek to share their knowledge freely, and help other humans, even strangers, without regard to artificial reputational or commercial gain. Yo…

i only lament some things; others have gotten better. there's enormously more free software and better information, and disks are big enough for kiwix to be a thing. consider: wikipedia, openstreetmap, library genesis, sci-hub, the internet archive, bitcoin, stack exchange, tor, debian, termux, f-droid, and lineageos. heck, even firefox is noticeably better than lynx was when i joined the internet!

and, as i alluded to in my comment, it's not clear that people were ever purely altruistic; artificial reputational gain was always a consideration

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by Aeolun »

throwanem wrote: post #125
Aeolun wrote: post #114

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So what you are saying is that people have some hangup on saying ‘I don’t want to say’ and instead say all kinds of vague stuff that I might want to clarify, and that I should recognize that and just let it go? I’m not quite sure how to distinguish that from people unintentionally being vague.

Not everyone takes "I don't want to talk about that" easily. A '...with you' is always available to be inferred, and a weak ego easily takes insult at that. If that weak ego belongs to someone who signs your paychecks, now you have a problem.

I don’t think telling those people ‘learn how to recognize no’ is going to make much of a difference.

Re: Being Raised by the Internet

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Post by throwanem »

throwanem wrote: post #81
nuancebydefault wrote: post #73

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I just read following are available throughout the entire USA so I guess there is some hope? Childhelp National Child Abuse Hotline. This hotline provides 24/7 support for children and adults concerned about child abuse. National Runaway Safeline (1-800-RUNAWAY) Boys Town National Hotline (1-800-448-3000).

Oh, I didn't say we have nothing that we could call a system, just that there's nothing remotely similar. There are some people that some of those don't fail, and one on that list with so pervasive a documented history of child sexual abuse among its caretakers that I'm honestly shocked if they still answer the phone - although if I recall correctly, Boys Town also has a history for giving kickbacks to judges in exch…

On further reflection, I'm sure I did. It was unjust and I'm sorry.

It never occurred to me until a moment ago to wonder whether your question read to me like it did because it came from someone who maybe has never had to doubt that everyone can always know who to call to get out of a spot like that, on a number that will always be answered.

Even now I can't bring myself to call that a conclusion rather than a surmise. Oh, if you tell me it's true I won't doubt, or even be surprised. But the idea still feels far too utopian to really credit. Intellectually, sure. In my own early life, though?

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