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Have to disagree with this. At a group meet-up where everyone arrives at different times and wants their order to come shortly after they do, a digital system is so much better. These type of meetups are quite common as a parent.
> where everyone arrives at different times and wants their order to come shortly after they do Good god man! At a social meal, we eat together; children included as this is how they learn to socialise. One would be a little concerned and puzzled if arriving for a meal, one finds others have already eaten.
What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
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Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
inefficiency? It's part of the experience. I'm not in a restaurant or café to drink as fast as possible. I'm there to socialize as well. Waiting a bit is not a bottleneck, but a feature. (If I wanted speed, I'd take the drive-through).
I think that works out if you are alone, if you are with other people, the waiter will probably interrupt the socialization you are doing with the people you are with, causing stress even for the waiter. Also we should recognize that the waiter is often looked down at, it is not a very nice job, and as a human being, having a poor experience with some customers will probably pass on to other customers, etc... I'd go…
If interacting with the people facilitating that is stressful I would recommend finding a bench near a vending machine, having someone else in your party handle the interaction, or, not going out.
Is this just an issue in countries where waiters depend on tips for their income?
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
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There are plenty of comments disagreeing with you, but I'm fully in agreement. As for the arguments that QR codes are somehow a time-saver, they can be a real time waster . Find phone (not glued to my eyeballs), scan QR, swerve option to install app, wait for enormously bloated website to render badly, get frustrated trying to find what I want, get up to find a staff member to order something but with X instead of Y…
I don't understand the privacy part. If you order through a waiter, they still record what you ordered.
A waiter recording your order is at a completely different, much smaller scale. Additionally, the waiter is an anonymizing wall between the system that records my order and me and will only correlate orders across multiple visits to the same restaurant. Not potentially across single visits to multiple, geographically highly separated, restaurants.
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
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> You're either trying to solve the problem of service or you're not, it's binary. Do or do not, there is no try They are trying indeed, if they succeed or not is a completely different story. The point is: throwing a QR code at your issues won't solve your issues. > Honestly if I received poor/slow service and management came back with this I'd be pretty upset. I don't understand what you mean, it's probably that I,…
> The point is: throwing a QR code at your issues won't solve your issues. I believe this to be (generally, but with exceptions) false. On one of my contracts I worked on solving this during covid for a large restaurant chain, they still use the QR system today and there are clear and concrete metrics that tell the story of large improvements to service. > don't understand why people should sit down and enjoy a meal…
Covid is the most disrupting global event of the recent human history I bet it had a quite larger impact than a simple QR code, assuming what you say it's true.
> You're hyper focused on the ideal situation
Am I? I know that for a diner to serve me at a table it can't take less than 20-30 minutes or I am eating literal dog shit and I honestly don't like dog shit, regardless of the service I am receiving (or worse: I am making the staff uncomfortable by asking them to be quick because I am the one who's in a hurry).
It means in total it will take at least one hour, if I don't have that time available I simply do not sit down in a diner.
It's as simple as that, the ideal condition it's a dinner that usually takes from 2 to 4 hours.
The 10 seconds saved on a QR code assuming that the QR code really saves time it's irrelevant at that point.
It is possible that different cultures have different ways of understanding 'service standards'.
> expectation of the tip
You're hyper focused on your own bubble, in most of the World tips are not mandatory nor common especially for a quick lunch break.
And still your answers do not address the larger picture: the staff is there to help you, not to serve you in the as a servant way. They shouldn't, in my opinion, be considered like minions executing what the machine told them to do. That's what Fritz Lang warned us about in 1927.
But even assuming that the QR code saves a lot of time, good staff can go a long way, a fast self-service order system where you wait at the table because the place is understaffed it's a worse experience than an understaffed place where at least a real human greets me asking what I want to drink, before taking my order.
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#135> I would have thought about privately disclosing these findings to Dotpe. But all the API requests are right there in plain sight... There are pretty common ethical standards about disclosing vulnerabilities privately before disclosing them publicly. I don't see how the obviousness of the vulnerability changes the situation. By warning the company, you give them the opportunity to remedy the problem before announcin…
Pissing off the company, whose systems you accessed without authorization, is one way of getting to experience the full force of the justice system.
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#136> Is this what the peak ordering experience looks like? Call me old-fashioned, but to me the peak experience is a paper menu to choose from, and a waiter that patiently takes the order. Far prefer that to everyone at the table fiddling on their phones in some weird-ass website or even god forbid custom app.
My main beef with these menus is that I can't see the entire menu on my phone screen, and end up scrolling up and down multiple times before I can decide what I want to order. With a paper menu my eyes can flick up and down much faster. It's like trying to edit spreadsheets on a phone - technically possible but a real pain in the arse.
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Online menus with pictures of every dish The invention of color photography, and large and small format color printing, make it unnecessary for the whole thing to be online . You can have pictures without all the issues of online - like small, low-resolution screens (relative to paper all screens are low-res screens), and being coerced to give away personal data.
If it were this easy, they would've printed images on menus long ago. Which a few restaurants actually do, but usually only a few dishes. That said, I refuse to go to any restaurant that has a QR code menu,
In contrast, the digital menus usually come as a solution, packaged with a promise of some juicy business analytics, so the restaurant only needs to sign the contract and send over some files - that's even less work than regular paper menus.
So no surprise they're jumping to "high tech" - they're really outsourcing menus to a marketing company.
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[0] - I don't know how things are at the very highest tier of restaurants for the rich, but for those accessible to less rich, it seems the higher-end the restaurant is, the worse the menu is. Bad design, typos, etc. I suppose having an established reputation allows them to get careless about the minor details.
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are plenty of comments disagreeing with you, but I'm fully in agreement. As for the arguments that QR codes are somehow a time-saver, they can be a real time waster . Find phone (not glued to my eyeballs), scan QR, swerve option to install app, wait for enormously bloated website to render badly, get frustrated trying to find what I want, get up to find a staff member to order something but with X instead of Y…
I don't understand the privacy part. If you order through a waiter, they still record what you ordered.
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand the privacy part. If you order through a waiter, they still record what you ordered.
These menu websites obviously track the living hell out of you and now they can tie restaurant food preferences to everything else they have already gathered. A waiter recording your order is at a completely different, much smaller scale. Additionally, the waiter is an anonymizing wall between the system that records my order and me and will only correlate orders across multiple visits to the same restaurant. Not pot…
Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?
#140From technical standpoint, I find the details interesting. However, this irresponsible disclosure of vulnerability troubles me. I am guessing that last year, Indian government has passed the bill of PDPA ( https://www.meity.gov.in/writereaddata/files/Digital%20Perso... ) if I am not mistaken. Even though irresponsible disclosure of vulnerability is not explicitly mentioned in this Act, but I am pretty sure that such…
If you leave the gate to your yard wide open don't be surprised to find kids playing ball there.
In India, personal data is not yet taken seriously with both educated and un-educated people. It would take some time but I believe this realisation will come over time in people.