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Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

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Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

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While the article has some good points about the importance of emotional intelligence and awareness, I'm skeptical about the idea that we can simply "choose" to be thermostats. Humans are complex and emotional creatures, and our emotions can be triggered by a multitude of factors beyond our control. The article's suggestions, while well-intentioned, feel like a form of emotional labor that can be exhausting and unsus…

> Can we really expect people to be constantly "on" and aware of their emotional impact on others?

We can expect that of ourselves. It's a skill that can be learned and practiced.

“Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.” -- Viktor Frankl

I've found that a meditation practice allows me to find that space more easily in real life situations. At the very least, you'll know when you're being "amygdala hijacked" (per the article).

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

#132
post #6

While the article has some good points about the importance of emotional intelligence and awareness, I'm skeptical about the idea that we can simply "choose" to be thermostats. Humans are complex and emotional creatures, and our emotions can be triggered by a multitude of factors beyond our control. The article's suggestions, while well-intentioned, feel like a form of emotional labor that can be exhausting and unsus…

> Can we really expect people to be constantly "on" and aware of their emotional impact on others? We can expect that of ourselves. It's a skill that can be learned and practiced. “Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.” -- Viktor Frankl I've found that a meditation practice allows me to find that space more e…

I have never heard that quote before. Gonna tuck that away for future use because it serves as a great reminder that we are not powerless to our emotional response. Its the difference between a reaction and a reflex.

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

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> It can be quite liberating and fun to understand and process these things, much like understanding code and data structures in order to recombine them into things you want to achieve. This thread actually made me realize it's much easier to express this in code vs words since it deals with state and logic: https://gist.github.com/TheUltDev/fc8386e42205504c55d1cf2127... This is the my process of rationalization and…

As a topical extension, there are entire therapeutic modalities (like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) that assist people in doing this kind of in-the-moment emotional reflection and recontextualization. If this sort of thing is difficult, seeking out a therapist that specializes in these modalities can be helpful (and seeking the support of a therapist does not require a person to be ‘mentally ill’).

What's the best book on CBT technique that you would recommend?

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

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> If you can't take criticism without the blame-game, you're not worth my time and effort. QFT

Quantum Fourier Transform?

I had to Google as well. Quantenfeldtheorie is what came up for me, because Google insists it needs to show me german pages first... But I think what was actually ment is "Quoted For Truth"?

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quantum Fourier Transform?

I had to Google as well. Quantenfeldtheorie is what came up for me, because Google insists it needs to show me german pages first... But I think what was actually ment is "Quoted For Truth"?

quoted for truth

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

#136

i prefer to be a cat. if that makes sense.

Find a warm sunny spot or cozy nook and go there. If the location gets uncomfortable, leave. Not terrible advice, all considered. Of course you can't always do that in say, a work setting.

warm cat, happy cat

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

#137
post #6

While the article has some good points about the importance of emotional intelligence and awareness, I'm skeptical about the idea that we can simply "choose" to be thermostats. Humans are complex and emotional creatures, and our emotions can be triggered by a multitude of factors beyond our control. The article's suggestions, while well-intentioned, feel like a form of emotional labor that can be exhausting and unsus…

"I'm skeptical about the idea that we can simply "choose" to be thermostats." I agree. Try being thermostat to someone who is on meth or someone who is drunk.There are many reasons someone is raising he temperature in a room. Not to mention the fact that there might be a good reason some one is angry, like low wages, discrimination, or wage theft. And you coming in being a thermostat is just prolonging everyone's nig…

> there might be a good reason some one is angry

Yes! And sometimes it benefits you both to _lean in to that_! Perhaps you feel the same way! So "choosing to be a thermostat" does not need to be a choice you make in every situation or no situation. It's very dependent on context. Sometimes I WANT people to match my energy, it's affirming or comforting. Sometimes I will benefit from either being the thermostat or the... thermostatted...

I absolutely disagree that this is "manipulation tactics". I can see how the sausage is made and still appreciate how they're approaching the situation. It indicates to me that this person is interested in exploring and working on their own emotional intelligence, and are using things they've learned to help problem-solve.

Regarding "weird vibe in room" - my take on the article is not that "being thermostat" is NOT a means to "remove vibe I don't like". "Weird vibe" is indicative that something is wrong and there could be a problem there worth challenging or solving. It doesn't have to come from a place of "toxic positivity" or self-centered "I only want good vibes" thinking. "Weird vibe" can still be there and I think part of growing emotional intelligence is learning you can only do so much and sometimes allowing "weird vibe" is healthy -- and learning to not let it affect you if it's not something you rationally are affected by (ie. someone else's mood due personal reasons).

> Try being thermostat to someone who is on meth or someone who is drunk.There are many reasons someone is raising he temperature in a room.

As a volunteer first aider who's done "night time economy" shifts alongside paramedics - this is absolutely something that is done and is quite helpful. There is a certain degree of patience and customer-service-voice that generally many intoxicated people are receptive to. Doing what you can to de-escalate and calm them down has better (generally, quicker) outcomes for their treatment. If you can calmly convince someone who has hoofed a dangerous amount of cocaine along with their 10 shots of vodka that night and has presented to you aggressive and frightened due to chest pains to sit down in the back of the ambulance, you don't have to deal with them aggressively flailing about the place whilst you hook them up to an ECG. Matching their energy and yelling at them is probably the last thing you wanna do there (even though they ARE fuckin' annoying... never let them know that, if you want to go home ~on time~ only an hour after your shift ends ;))

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

#138
post #62

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Nope, you are spot on. I too noticed pretty quickly that this must be female POV. You can generally tell even just by the word choices ("spidey senses" American women seem to love that phrase for some reason, "super ", "awry", "weird vibes", ...) Another instant give-away was "now we've got a compounding situation" - quite a feminine phrasing. Not judging, I mean it sounds almost cute even. Finally, her idea of "faci…

"Weird vibes" is what finally made me check the author name ... I don't even know what "spidey sense" should mean.

It's a reference to a popular property of The Walt Disney Company, wherein a bite from a radioactive spider confers upon the titular character a supernatural ability to sense impending danger.

Re: Be a thermostat, not a thermometer (2023)

#140
post #116

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I won't repeat what the sibling commenter has stated except to say that I agree that these authors seem to have missed the point. Anecdotally, my partner and I have found a ton of value in it within our relationship.

"Serenity now, insanity later." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJVIX-4OyT0

Well, it's been helpful to us for a few years. Unlike in the Seinfeld episode, NVC isn't about "bottling up" or keeping your emotions to yourself. It is explicitly the opposite: all about communicating unmet needs and finding shared understanding.

I think both of us would say that we feel we have a better understanding of each other and a much stronger relationship as a result of NVC. YMMV of course!

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