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A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Amazon Meta or Google should please create and maintain a corporate fork. The performance fixes could happen faster and would probably pay for themselves. No more problems with issues like this. Would provide some people with good jobs.

I'm pretty sure Amazon does at least - I thought that the Python version that runs in Lambda had a few features on top of CPython (mainly around relative imports but possibly other things too).

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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He should have stayed on as BDFL. Now in the power vacuum a bunch of “activists” and political enthusiasts will take over and ruin the whole thing for everyone, or at least significantly slow down the progress

I'm glad he's stepped down. His opinion matters to be sure, but python needs to be a community developed language. He's a smart guy, and he matters still to the python community. There was a tremendous amount of frustration around the walrus operator, which led to him stepping down.

Guido is the community. He's the one with the most legitimacy to represent it. To imply that Guido is something separate and divorced from the community is textbook subversion. I can't imagine any reason that others leaders in the Python community would have irreconcilable differences with Guido than if their interests were to corrupt the project.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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> We have a two-party system, and that's just the way it is. Some argue that our current voting system creates the two party system we all know and hate. Derek from Veritasium did a video about this the other day. Really good stuff. No need to come to Palin's or the Republican's defense here. Candidates are more than capable of trying to campaign for the second place votes.

You hate it. Don't generalize to "we all."

Check out this IPSOS poll that says otherwise. That was run in January. Yet somehow by May both of the upopular candidates won their national primaries.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/most-americans-are-dissatisfied-...

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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I'm glad he's stepped down. His opinion matters to be sure, but python needs to be a community developed language. He's a smart guy, and he matters still to the python community. There was a tremendous amount of frustration around the walrus operator, which led to him stepping down.

The walrus operator doesn’t seem like such a big deal now given these developments, and no doubt future developments of the same sort. The permanently offended aren’t going to just go until everything is in ruins and all the main contributors are gone.

Well, on the other hand, the only way out for a "Dictator" in the "BDFL" is to resign or be overthrown. He decided to resign, which is probably for the best. Otherwise a fork would have forced the decision, and been worse for the community as a whole.

Packaging and the 2.x to 3.x migration were both nightmares under his stewardship.

Keep in mind that the leaders of the PSF can be voted out, if so chosen by the community. And the community may have a different opinion on the election cycle and want to take python a different direction.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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post #112

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I'm glad he's stepped down. His opinion matters to be sure, but python needs to be a community developed language. He's a smart guy, and he matters still to the python community. There was a tremendous amount of frustration around the walrus operator, which led to him stepping down.

Guido is the community. He's the one with the most legitimacy to represent it. To imply that Guido is something separate and divorced from the community is textbook subversion. I can't imagine any reason that others leaders in the Python community would have irreconcilable differences with Guido than if their interests were to corrupt the project.

Guido is part of the community, not the community. At least not anymore.

Go to pycon and try to talk to him. He doesn't want to talk to just anyone. And he's not great at accepting feedback.

We love him, of course. But there are reasons maybe that the community of users should have a strong voice in where python goes as well.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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> The public has not accepted that that must be eliminated. RCV will be on the ballot this fall in Ruby Red Idaho. Let's see what happens. > You are assuming that a multi-party, multi-candidate election is a desirable norm. Easy. Both Trump's and Biden's approval numbers are both in the toilet. Yet they both easily won their primaries.

If that's your idea of "proof" I think we're done here.

So you'll take your arguments and go home, and not even try to convince me otherwise and potentially win me over with your candor and intellect and personality?

That seems like the problem with politics as a whole these days.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing. Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something? It's very confusing. Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the St…

They suspended Tim Peters? That is insane .

The Python steering committee also threw the kitchen sink of accusations at him. IMO it speaks to character when you throw arguments like an adversarial lawyer. Not the kind of person you want to be around for work or life.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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I can't; I got permabanned from the site for hate speech. What did I say? That it's unfair for men to compete in women's sports and that TRAs use bad faith tactics like deplatforming as a means to silence their critics and avoid debate. The weaponisation of censorship is predominantly a far left tactic.

> The weaponisation of censorship is predominantly a far left tactic. Incorrect. It's an authoritarian tactic, which can either be left or right. On the right today is Idaho with their new book banning law prohibiting minors from accessing books with LGBTQ+ themes (regardless of whether there was any sex or not). On the left, you have Tipper Gore which was famous for advocating for the sticker placed on CD's to alert…

> On the right today is Idaho with their new book banning law prohibiting minors from accessing books with LGBTQ+ themes (regardless of whether there was any sex or not).

This is misleading. It's against anything pornographic being made accessible in schools / to people under 18 years old, LGBT or otherwise. "Homosexuality" is mentioned only once:

> 3. "Sexual conduct" means any act of masturbation, homosexuality, sexual intercourse, or physical contact with a person's clothed or unclothed genitals, pubic area, buttocks or, if such person be a female, the breast.

In a section that's 11 points long. Besides which, this whole section already existed, it was just amended recently and this part I quoted wasn't changed.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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When Guido stopped being the sole leader (BDFL) he was replaced by the steering council which is elected and has the purpose of doing the following (Defined in PEP 13 which is the current governance model of Python. Right now Guido is a core developer at this time. See https://peps.python.org/pep-0013/#the-steering-council

That's pretty obvious. The question was, who are these people, specifically, and why they were chosen and given that much power. I mean, I can see the names, but while I don't have to be told who Tim Peters or Guido van Rossum are, I have no clue who these guys are and what their actual contributions are.

In line with the trends, as the grandparent said. People who claim tolerance are intolerant

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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My spidey sense first got tingling a few years ago when the Python powers decided they were going to rename their git master branch to something else. Caused them unnecessary work and to this day it's not certain any developer or user actually asked for it. The word has multiple meanings of course; yet felt like a symbolic gesture to alleviate guilt totally unrelated to Python. I didn't complain without a dog in the…

>Unfortunately a few years later I can say the opposite. It's your contention that people getting up in arms about not changing the name of the 'master' branch specifically look good now, with hindsight? Can't say I agree.

That the people implying they were monsters were the actual monsters.
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