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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by benterix »

neilv wrote: post #125
bawolff wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always find these comments a bit rediculous. You think that big corporations are incapable of having accidental bugs? Wish that were true. The world would be a much less buggy place.

> I always find these comments a bit rediculous. You think that big corporations are incapable of having accidental bugs? I didn't say they that they couldn't have accidental bugs. I did note that they'd normally be able to rollback a deploy with problems. Why do you say that's ridiculous to comment?

I don't think it's ridiculous, it's just they might not necessarily care enough. They will consider it a bug if there's enough uproar, for now there are just a couple of unhappy users here and there, no reasons to revert something that presumably took a lot of work to implement, especially if the fix takes more effort than the original implementation (I wouldn't be surprised since we're talking about performance differences between browser engines).

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by pyrale »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #110
pessimizer wrote: post #105

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If they're doing it to intentionally damage firefox because they feel it is competition, that's an argument for Chrome to be severed from google. If they're inadvertently doing it because firefox is so insignificant as not to be worth thinking about, that's an argument for Chrome to be severed from google.

How is Firefox having abysmal market share an argument that chrome should be severed from Google?

Considering Firefox's current situation is the result of years of abusive monopoly practice from Google, Chrome should be severed from Google.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

bawolff wrote: post #118
neilv wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since YouTube has massive resources and famed tooling&processes, presumably either they knew about the Firefox problems before deploying, or (if there was a genuine QA mistake) they'd know about it very soon after deploy, when they'd be able to rollback if they wanted to. (Obviously, they know about Firefox, they've developed for it since it was available, and they've even been funding it.)

I always find these comments a bit rediculous. You think that big corporations are incapable of having accidental bugs? Wish that were true. The world would be a much less buggy place.

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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by mrandish »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #120
ChocolateGod wrote: post #99

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I have a strong feeling the developers behind sites like YouTube and Reddit don't actually use the software they make, because both are slow and laggy to use on any computer I use. I just can't think of any other reason why they're both so infamously bad.

As they say, you aren't the customer, the advertiser is the customer. If the site works for the 95% of ad dollars who use Chrome on their phones, it works as intended.

> the advertiser is the customer.

Excellent point. If any change on the site caused ad views or clicks to drop by >1%, automated tests probably shoot flares up to the exec level. Whereas the vast majority of users on FF are blocking ads anyway, so their lagging performance probably barely registers on those tests.

While YT probably still has non-ad automated performance tests, in the case of a non-Chrome, non-Apple desktop browser, those tests probably run every odd Thursday and regressions send a toast message to an intern. :-)

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by MyFedora »

neilv wrote: post #103
jeroenhd wrote: post #83

Took a performance benchmark in both Firefox and Brave. Both of them are unusually slow (addons/extensions disabled, fresh profile), but Firefox especially so. Source for the huge render times seems to be desktop_polymer.js, specifically the part that's registering and setting up custom web components. Once the website loads, performance becomes a lot better. My guess is that a Polymer update made Youtube slower for…

Since YouTube has massive resources and famed tooling&processes, presumably either they knew about the Firefox problems before deploying, or (if there was a genuine QA mistake) they'd know about it very soon after deploy, when they'd be able to rollback if they wanted to. (Obviously, they know about Firefox, they've developed for it since it was available, and they've even been funding it.)

It feels more like YouTube just doesn't prioritize an unpopular browser. Google only put resources into Firefox so they can say they're not a monopoly, but that strategy didn't really pan out. So, now, they're probably going to stop caring about Firefox altogether.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by benterix »

seanw444 wrote: post #121
IncreasePosts wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Firefox having abysmal market share an argument that chrome should be severed from Google?

In a vacuum, it's not. The market is completely dominated by Google though, and they exercise that authority and mindshare brazenly, to the point that it's easy to see how it affects Firefox. Firefox functions great. It doesn't function great with Google products/services such as YouTube in this case, which has no real competition. What's someone to do? Switch to Chrome. One might even make the assumption that the re…

> demonstrates... malice

Not demonstrates, hints at. In each of these cases, Google is very careful that you can easily come up with an alternative plausible explanation. It's hard to use the en masse argument if each of these problems can be accounted for.

These guys are not stupid - they're happy with the current status quo where they have a de facto monopoly but they can pretend they don't.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by drpossum »

mykowebhn wrote: post #27

I have the latest Firefox on Mac OS, and no problems for me. I pay for Youtube Premium, though. I wonder if that makes a difference.

I've got premium and am using MacOS and I've had to kill my browser several times in the last couple days because it froze up. I'm using M3s if it makes a difference.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by exe34 »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #60
exe34 wrote: post #28

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If there's something I value, I keep my own copy.

Do you get much value out of a youtube video the second time around? If I need to figure out which screws to remove or something like that, it's probably the first and last time I'll need that particular information. If you're not also ensuring that others can access that copy then I don't really see the point.

I collect a lot of random demo videos from a lot of fields - every time I fancy honing one skill in particular, there's usually 5-10 videos in my collection that will give me something to work on.

> If you're not also ensuring that others can access that copy then I don't really see the point.

happy to share them if you can buy me a competent enough lawyer to run interference with the litigious copyright overlords.

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