I'm not sure why s/w eng9ineers in North Korea are such an issue.
Unless you're working on some national security s/w, or finding that backdoors are being installed in your source, why not let North Korean engineers work?
We found North Korean engineers in our application pile
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#132> A mismatch between the name displayed on the resume or networking site, and the candidate’s command of English (e.g. Chris Smith with a B.A. from a large US research university who can barely speak interview-level English is surprising). IANAL, but this sounds 100% illegal to me. From https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices : > An employer may not base hiring decisions on stereotypes and assump…
But they aren't making hiring decisions based on stereotypes; they are making hiring decisions based on someone not being who they claim to be. Right?
If they expect someone named Chris Smith to have a better command of English than someone named Kim Ji-hoon, then arguably that might indeed be illegal discrimination.
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Lawsuit is still live.
In that case, I'd expect a source would be easy to provide.
Since you're too lazy to use google: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-space...
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#134I can think of maybe 20 countries where people would do this before DPRK, not least China, but quite a few in Europe to, Poland, India. why DPRK? like the level of Pakistan CS grads is probably better than most US ivy league grads, cant imagine DPRK has much of a CS education system.
They sent a team to the ICPC 5 years ago and ranked 8th: https://cphof.org/standings/icpc/2019
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#135Wow! Not using social media and avoiding your photos from being publicly shared is what distinguishes a North Korean hacker?
I see how ex-CIA guys would expect to get a profile on everyone and know what color toothbrush they use.
I am lucky that I can refer to media publications citing my name in a professional context. But it's a creepy world where the employers' expectation is that all your personal information is public.
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When you’re getting your foot in the door, job applications are mostly a numbers game - especially with how many postings are completely bogus (job doesn’t exist, or is already going to an internal hire). MOST of the time I think the cover letter either gets a brief glance or doesn’t get read at all. If you’ve got to churn out as many job applications as possible just to get an interview with a real company, you’ll g…
> MOST of the time I think the cover letter either gets a brief glance or doesn’t get read at all. That might very well be the case for a big company that receives a ton of applications but the numbers game works both ways: as the person looking to hire somebody, I find it well worth the time to weed out people based on poor spelling, grammar, etc. It only takes a few seconds to spot the bad ones, and it ensures I do…
A couple of maths professors I worked with had very poor spelling, grammar, etc. Good luck with your approach, if you are trying to hire a specialist in an area that is not middle management, HR or marketing. Let alone if you need people do something in the physical world such as building, cleaning or moving things.
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Of course, in theory, there's a possibility that someone named Simon Cartwright, with a North Korean accent, who has amnesia and can't remember a thing about the place they claim they grew up in, is actually not a spy. I personally don't think that's a situation where an employer is required to give the benefit of the doubt.
How many employers can reliably distinguish a North Korean accent from a South Korean one?
Quite a few South Korean descent owned and operated companies are in America. I assume that they would have a decent detection rate.
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Certainly someone of obvious Asian descent and accent who introduces themselves as “Simon” is not a red flag. As you say, some people understandably prefer not to hear their real name mangled every day. But someone of obvious Asian descent and accent who introduces themselves as “Simon Cartwright” and has vague tales of growing up in London… again, it’s possible, and we should treat each individual with respect and a…
There is simply more noise than signal with this style of racial profiling and I implore you to do some soul-searching and reconsidering because you are probably harming people without even intending to with your current behavior.
The person you are responding to led with red flags about locations in their stories.
You are the only person trying to turn this into a racial issue.
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I think the interviewers were asking about the metro stop where the candidate worked as a method to assess the veracity of the resume item. Same thing for the question about what division the candidate worked in at Uber.
Yes, and everybody who has been forced to settle out a discrimination case where the alleged facts included questions about the candidate's zip code had a reason other than "we don't want Black folks working here" answer, and if they were dumb enough to take that case all the way to court, they might even have prevailed with it, but in employment law it's the ride not the rap. I'm assuming everybody who's been a witn…
I think sussing out whether people are lying on their resume is part of the interview process.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, and everybody who has been forced to settle out a discrimination case where the alleged facts included questions about the candidate's zip code had a reason other than "we don't want Black folks working here" answer, and if they were dumb enough to take that case all the way to court, they might even have prevailed with it, but in employment law it's the ride not the rap. I'm assuming everybody who's been a witn…
I think sussing out whether people are lying on their resume is part of the interview process.
I'm not interested in the axiomatic derivation. Just search for "illegal interview questions" and things like "residency" or "where candidate lives". I'm confident there's a way to handle this, but just Leeroy Jenkins-ing it with "what's your nearest Metro stop" probably isn't it.