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Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by vacri »

DanBC wrote: post #101
vacri wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not part of the 4chan nor suicidegirls communities, and the meta in wikipedia is not forum-style moderation. The places I've been that have moderation issues don't have people wondering why they've been hit. I'm not saying that other forums don't have issues, but that there is a constant sussurus about the problems of moderation here that I don't have in other places. No insight and no accountability = bad modera…

Okay, I make a clear distinction between community up / down voting, and owner moderation. I should have been clearer. Don't worry about the down votes. They are frustrating, but anyone on HN knows that you occasionally get a random down vote. By themselves they're usually meaningless. Yes, people should really either engage in the debate and not down vote, or not engage, and down vote, and explain if needed. (Person…

Yeah, my mistake. The word 'moderation' to me means more the forum-style stuff (given also the terms up/downmod), what moderation in the OP meant was what I consider 'editing', probably due to growing up with a publisher for a mother.

Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by vacri »

saurik wrote: post #118
vacri wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not part of the 4chan nor suicidegirls communities, and the meta in wikipedia is not forum-style moderation. The places I've been that have moderation issues don't have people wondering why they've been hit. I'm not saying that other forums don't have issues, but that there is a constant sussurus about the problems of moderation here that I don't have in other places. No insight and no accountability = bad modera…

I had down voted you (and thereby might be the person whom you are referring to who did so) as you are making an anecdotal statement that is sufficiently far-fetched as to be ludicrous. Now, in your follow-up, you seem to be lumping me (the person who downmodded you) into the category of "moderators", which is technically fine but then useless: I am another member of this site, just like you; the mechanisms here are…

No different from other peer moderation? And you downmod me? Using your first example, Slashdot, there is exactly the thing I am talking about: a reason for the mod. You seem to be more ignorant of the topic than you accuse me of being.

Similarly, you say I disregard a list of sites when I mention three of the four in my response about my personal experience being part of web communities (and seriously, 'as good as 4chan' is hardly an argument for content quality, particularly on a site where the users pride themselves on intellect and quality).

Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by Orva »

chromatic wrote: post #124
exDM69 wrote: post #105

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There were several Nvidia employees in the room, I wasn't one of them because I missed the sign-up for the event. But my co-workers were there and they got the message, and I hope the message propagates upwards to the people who make the big decisions on this. But Linus' message was a bit disheartening. Most of our crew would really like to open source everything we write. But then there's the fact that our code woul…

But then there's the fact that our code would reveal the secrets of our hardware. To whom? Certainly not your competitors. Also what's wrong with releasing specs under NDA?

No sane open source driver developer would agree to NDA in order to write driver. You wouldn't be able to contribute any other driver project (in that specialty area, which might be vast) until your NDA ends.

And of course, device driver would tell people all the secrets that NDA forbids you to disclose.

Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by chalst »

g-garron wrote: post #26
forrestthewoods wrote: post #25

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Ungrateful? Since when is that part of any sensible business plan? I don't know why Linus would expect a corporation to devote significant resources to an endeavor out of kindness. Nvidia will play nicely with Linux when it becomes in their financial interests to do so. Edit: I expected downvotes and I'll gladly take them if someone can explain to me how Nvidia is being unreasonable.

You are right, business are business. But you do not need to be a badass. And the world changes (the ones that needs you now, will be the ones you need tomorrow), I have learned that the most grateful you are in business, the better business you do. Edited for clarity.

Quite. Given that the PC market, which I believe is the source of their highest margin sales, seems to be shrinking, perhaps high-handedness with potential allies is not the wisest course of action.

Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #73
saurik wrote: post #58

The original title of this submission was 'Linus to Nvidia: "Fuck You"', which was renamed by someone (the moderators? can the submitter change the title?) after a ton of people had upvoted and commented on it, and despite the link being not to the entire video but instead to a specific point in the video for which the title of the entire video is probably not even an appropriate description. So, when people are read…

The current moderation system isn't scaling. This post is a good example to illustrate the problem. At first glance it appears to be a flamebait title, and hence a mod who sees it may feel it's a no-brainer - correct it and move on. However, there's a nuance to it - that is exactly how Linus Torvalds expresses himself, and the original title ("Linus to Nvidia: Fuck You!", or something close to that) captured his sent…

Two suggestions:

1. If a post is renamed then the original title(s) should be available to view somehow. Maybe via a moderation summary link.

2. The downvoting mechanism should require the downvoter to post their reasons.

Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by vidarh »

StephenFalken wrote: post #53

We desperately need open sourced chip cores. An open community would build them with open source EDA tools and the final tapeout would be physically produced by a foundry. I know open source EDA tools are still decades away from proprietary ones, but we won't go anywhere if we don't start somewhere.

We do have open sourced chip cores: http://opencores.org/

It's still in its infancy, and faces a lot of challenges that open source software doesn't, but it's come a long way in a few years.

Re: Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds

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Post by dman »

cdr wrote: post #76
dman wrote: post #71

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What distro are you using? Did you use aticonfig --dual-head to setup your xorg.conf file ?

Mint13 with Cinnamon; not precisely Gnome3 but close enough. And yes, I did. I actually spent half a dozen hours fiddling with xorg.conf etc trying to get multiple monitors to work with fglrx [AMD proprietary driver]. I should have known better. Especially since my not-that-old card is being dropped in the next fglrx anyway.

You didnt answer my question on whether you used aticonfig? Also which card are you using?
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