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Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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I was a college swimmer, qualified for Olympic Trials in 2012 and 2016. There are absolutely slow and fast pools. It basically comes down to two things: 1. The depth - which is only 7ft in Paris, unusually shallow for a competition pool. 2. The sides. Does the water spill over the sides into the gutters, or smash into a wall and bounce back, creating more chop. A trained eye can see all the swimmers in Paris struggli…

I'm no expert, buy there also seems to be loads more stuff lying on the bottom of the shallow floor than I remember from previous Olympics. Not even sure exactly what it is - large white panels and other equipment that the swimmers don't look that far off touching when underwater (not the robot cameras which are relatively unobtrusive).

digital lap counters to help the swimmers keep track

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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In addition to physical issues raised (7ft depth, configuration of sides), I wonder if there might be any other reasons that aren't mentioned at all in the article… Something causing these elite athletes to be a bit off their game? Whatever could it possibly be… - https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/07/31/us... - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/team-gb-swimmer-m... - https://www.theguardian…

That's not a very satisfying explanation because everyone seems to be slow and it's pretty unlikely that everyone has COVID.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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What I remember from the London Olympics is that records don’t fall from the sky, but venues can be planned/ optimised for them. Maybe this did not happen in Paris so much? See this bit on the Velodrome in London: https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/making-tracks-building-th...

In Paris they didn't want to build a white elephant swimming venue that will never get filled outside of the Olympics. So instead they converted an indoor stadium, the Paris La Défense Arena that is normally used for rugby and concerts. You can see in the timelapse video here[1] the pool being built above the surface. They built it to a depth of 2.15m, the minimum required is 2m, but the recommended depth is 3m. I ca…

Ummmm....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Aquatic_Centre

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Would the swimmers in the center lanes have any advantage by being furthest away from the wall-induced chop?

And having a better view on the competition in the neighboring lanes (just like in track running). There's even some applied psychology here, that competing swimmers 'push' each other to higher speeds because they can see each other more clearly (and 'feel' the push from someone just lagging). Putting the faster qualifiers in the middle lanes is also a better view for the spectators on both sides of the pool.

Interesting to see the 400m and 200m track and field athletes starting to favor outside lanes.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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There's Olympic gold medals on the line. People are going absolutely as hard as they can. There's no way an Olympic pool for the actual Olympics should be that shallow. If athletes prefer a deep pool, the pool should be deep. Swimming is one of the premier sports at Olympics. It's also a facility that has one of the most reuse if built properly. You don't think a Paris aquatic center wouldn't get tons of reuse in wor…

> It's also a facility that has one of the most reuse if built properly. You don't think a Paris aquatic center wouldn't get tons of reuse in world championships and other types of top end level events if they'd built a fast pool They didn't build a dedicated aquatic center. "The pool here in suburban Paris — a temporary vessel plopped into a rugby stadium"

So you agree they cheaped out?

Paris allegedly spend 1.5 billion to clean up the Seine presumably for fringe events like open water swimming and triathlon.

Again: premier top-of-program sport in Olympics primetime. All they had to do was dig a hole in a rugby field.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's Olympic gold medals on the line. People are going absolutely as hard as they can. There's no way an Olympic pool for the actual Olympics should be that shallow. If athletes prefer a deep pool, the pool should be deep. Swimming is one of the premier sports at Olympics. It's also a facility that has one of the most reuse if built properly. You don't think a Paris aquatic center wouldn't get tons of reuse in wor…

> There's Olympic gold medals on the line. People are going absolutely as hard as they can. They don't have to outswim the bear. They just have to outswim the silver medalist.

As much as it's about winning the medals, this is about setting personal and world records, too.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Paris they didn't want to build a white elephant swimming venue that will never get filled outside of the Olympics. So instead they converted an indoor stadium, the Paris La Défense Arena that is normally used for rugby and concerts. You can see in the timelapse video here[1] the pool being built above the surface. They built it to a depth of 2.15m, the minimum required is 2m, but the recommended depth is 3m. I ca…

Ummmm.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Aquatic_Centre

"it is hosting the diving, water polo, and artistic swimming competitions."

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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In addition to physical issues raised (7ft depth, configuration of sides), I wonder if there might be any other reasons that aren't mentioned at all in the article… Something causing these elite athletes to be a bit off their game? Whatever could it possibly be… - https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/07/31/us... - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/team-gb-swimmer-m... - https://www.theguardian…

Let's also not forget doping. Chinese swimmers noticeably slower this year than last olympics in particular. Wonder why that is?
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