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Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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I'm sorry if you feel the ACS is trying to force you to do something just by making a recommendation. Feeling a bit fragile, are you?

Of course I am fragile, I'm just a single individual thrown into the society of 8 billion people, what are you expecting

I'm expecting you to not confuse someone informing you with someone forcing you.

I mean, they are very different, unless you have the will of a wet noodle.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Alcohol can have large benefits for helping people to bond and socialize. The article itself pointed this out. Of course people can socialize without alcohol. But I think it's plausible to argue that alcohol in moderation can improve and deepen the experience.

OK good point, but MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years. Also if I go drinking with someone I don't know well, the risk of their becoming violent is quite high.

> MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years.

Maybe but it's also much harder to obtain due to being illegal.

> the risk of their becoming violent is quite high.

Jesus who are you going drinking with??? That's not normal.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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It’s good to know that I’m enjoying my vice but not overly so, usually a few beers over the weekend. I think the relaxation and decrease in stress might offset the chemical damage. I’m sticking with moderation I think. My rules are simple “no alcohol during the week, a little bit on the weekend”. I’ve been doing that since college, which was a bit back.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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I'm amazed that this is still an ongoing discussion. All of these "studies" have been distracting with muddied data from a very simple, unambiguous scientific fact: alcohol is a poison. By its immediate biological effects, it literally is a poison. And you shouldn't drink poison. Decades of studies rationalizing that "actually, people who drink two glasses of wine a day live longer" and their ilk, have only ever dist…

FWIW, prosciutto and other cured meats are also carcinogenic. So is barbecue. Lots of things that we ingest are poison. I’m not sure why alcohol should be singled out here.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Of course I am fragile, I'm just a single individual thrown into the society of 8 billion people, what are you expecting

I'm expecting you to not confuse someone informing you with someone forcing you. I mean, they are very different, unless you have the will of a wet noodle.

Wet noodle slides effortlessly into you. What do you do?

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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OK good point, but MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years. Also if I go drinking with someone I don't know well, the risk of their becoming violent is quite high.

> MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years. Maybe but it's also much harder to obtain due to being illegal. > the risk of their becoming violent is quite high. Jesus who are you going drinking with??? That's not normal.

>On average, roughly 40% of inmates who are incarcerated for violent offenses were under the influence of alcohol during the time of their crime.

https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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They never include the mental benefits of alcohol. A night out drinking with friends or coworkers has mental health benefits that last, sometimes a lifetime.

In your experience, is the alcohol required to enjoy the night out? I've personally had nights out with and without alcohol that were just as much fun. I'm also very much a homebody though, so I'm not a great sample to really say either way.

I'm not sure about required, but depending where you live most of the stuff that's open at night is drinking-related ie. bars, pubs and clubs. A table full of people in a busy bar only ordering Coke or water is going to be kicked out pretty quickly.

If I wanted to go out at night in my city, and go somewhere that wasn't centered around booze I'd be going home around 8 or 9PM since nothing PG-13 is open late.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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> MDMA is much better for that according to many comment here on HN over the years. Maybe but it's also much harder to obtain due to being illegal. > the risk of their becoming violent is quite high. Jesus who are you going drinking with??? That's not normal.

>On average, roughly 40% of inmates who are incarcerated for violent offenses were under the influence of alcohol during the time of their crime. https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/

Correlation does not imply causation.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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Tell it how it is. No cigarettes either. But it's OK to go camping and live in a cloud of smoke for days. I wonder how many cigarettes a day equals being in a big campground with fires everywhere for 2 days is?

Presumably the risk with cigarettes is addiction, whereas that is less of an issue with alcohol because alcohol is significantly less addictive than nicotine.

Alcohol is more addictive than nicotine. The "advantage" of nicotine is that it creates a physical dependence more readily at smaller doses, but alcohol is psychologically pervasive. To the point where entire cultures have gone to war over it throughout history.

Re: Why many studies wrongly claim it's healthy to drink a little alcohol

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I think it would be preferable to fuel your brain with something that isn't also a carcinogen.

Given that everything is a carcinogen if you read such studies, but most of it is nowhere important enough to worry about, I'm not sure...

It's estimated in Europe that 7% of all breast cancers are due to alcohol consumption. Not everything is a carcinogen at that level.
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