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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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> If you're a restaurant, user can actually order right from the chat. or voice. So, instead of giving 30% fee for DoorDash or Wolt about visibility, we start giving that fee for "some-AI-search-tool", and they don't allow selling food cheaper than you get by using the AI search process ordering. I don't like this era.

That's assuming you don't have any customers. Those will just directly name your restaurant. I guess the only way to attract new customers would be word-of-mouth, or some other form of advertising.

I am assuming that most customers comes from deliveries in these days. People optimize time.

Only some big, well-known restaurants are an exception because people already known them and know to look for them. They are big enough to have online shop for food delivery and some form of delivery system.

For other places, it is not like that. They need to be visible on platforms that people use. If they are not there, people don't order take-away food because they mainly use applications which provide decent-enough catalog about available restaurants with delivery option and easy payment process.

Typical platform monopoly problem exists because people tend to be lazy and it is hard to get visibility on traditional search engines, when they are flooded by ads for the normal users, and then if you filter them out, SSO spam, which might not be related to restaurants, and then finally, competition against other restaurants.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Perplexity has never been a player in the search engine game. OpenAI, a startup, has dominated the AI space, while Google has long dominated the search engine market. Can Perplexity compete against these two solid competitors, OpenAI and Google?

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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You can't detect LLM output with any reasonable rate. You'd have both false positives and false negatives all over the place. If you solve that part on its own, that will be a SOTA method.

This is a dangerous falsehood. OpenAI's since-cancelled polygraph had a 9% rate of false positives, and a 26% rate of true positive. If I can lose a quarter of toxic bytes and need to enable JavaScript on one site in ten? Count me in! I want more false positives. https://openai.com/index/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai...

Then don't use any website - 100% false positives. But seriously, it's a 9% rate for specific models at the time. It's a cat and mouse game and any fine tuning or a new release will throw it off. Also they don't say which 9% was misclassified, but I suspect it's the most important ones - the well written articles. If I see a dumb tweet with a typo it's unlikely to come from LLM (and if it does, who cares), but a well written long form article may have been slightly edited with LLM and get caught. The 9% is not evenly distributed.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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The entry here for Perplexity is the one that got a lot of attention but it's also unfair: PerplexityBot is their crawler, which uses that user agent and as far as anyone can tell it respects robots.txt. They also have a feature that will, if a user pastes a URL into their chat, go fetch the data and do something with it in response to the user's query. This is the feature that made a big kerfuffle on HN a while back…

No, thats illogical. The action is indeed prompted by a human, but so is any crawl in some way. At some point they either configured an interval or other trigger to send the script to the Web host to fetch anything it can find. It's inherently different to extensions such as adblockers that just remove elements according to configuration. After all, the users device will never even see the final DOM now. instead it's…

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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GG Google and I couldn't be more pleased. It may not be this specific iteration that kills it, but a search product with AI (and without trash) is what will dethrone it. I'm already using ChatGPT for ~30% of the queries I used to use Google for. I prefer hallucinations to ads, to be honest. They were right to call Code Red when GPT came out, but their response to it has been extremely poor, even when they had all the…

I would say at least 1/3 of my Google usage is for local lookup queries like your example of “Italian restaurants”. Which as I would expect returned a list sourced from Google Maps in my area, then “Top $x Italian Restaurants in $mycity” posts from sites like TripAdvisor. So I’m not sure what you’re referring to with that example, that seems more of an issue for something like recipes.

ChatGPT can be useful for certain hard to Google informational questions but doesn’t help me at all for the boring “IKEA hours” type searches I do every day.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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post #129

Too bad it's only a waitlist. iFixit apparently published fake repair guides [0] that then got crawled by ChatGPT for training [1] [0] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Data+Connector++Replacement/147... [1] https://chatgpt.com/share/e52dc4dd-77e6-48a5-a7ca-77e3dfa39e...

>then got crawled by ChatGPT for training Not really, from the example you provided I think it's pretty clear that a custom system prompt was used and ChatGPT is using its own creativity, it doesn't have anything in common with the iFixit guide.

Actually, you can ask ChatGPT and get the same results without any prompt. No custom prompt is necessary. It takes a few seconds: https://chatgpt.com/share/2f873b1a-e487-469f-a78b-7e57fdd91b...

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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So, Google already does this, right? And most of the feedback I've seen is: "how the hell do we turn this off".

I think Open Ai can do this better than google for the simple reason that nobody pays for google search, ads do. And with ads the incentive make the search bad. Google has become an advertising monster. If only google could get people to pay for proper search but that is not very likely and problematic since it would cannibalize their ads based shitty search business.

Open AI or other AI companies could capitalize on that because they already have hooked their users up with their LLMs, search could be another feature and has the potential to grow from there.

Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Too bad it's only a waitlist. iFixit apparently published fake repair guides [0] that then got crawled by ChatGPT for training [1] [0] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Data+Connector++Replacement/147... [1] https://chatgpt.com/share/e52dc4dd-77e6-48a5-a7ca-77e3dfa39e...

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Re: OpenAI Announces SearchGPT

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Perplexity has never been a player in the search engine game. OpenAI, a startup, has dominated the AI space, while Google has long dominated the search engine market. Can Perplexity compete against these two solid competitors, OpenAI and Google?

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