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Whatever Iran, China, and Russia have done is also a minor effort compared to the billions spent by the US on influence operations.

Doubtful.

So methods and tools developed to combat global extremism during the War on Terror weren't used by US tech companies at the behest of an in-power political party against opposition speech?

Is that not what the senate subcommittee has been discussing for the past two years?

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

Israel, despite being a small country, has a very successful tech/IT sector, esp in the security space. Probably IDF acolytes bridging over to the private sector. Israel is widely known to participate in social psyop campaigns as well. It is not farfetched to think they have a pulse on popular tech forums like HN.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Well, do you have anything interesting to say about the political implications? Because i'm not sure what they are. If we knew who was responsible, we could talk about motive and implications of that, but we don't. I guess we could consider the broader picture of if this represents an increase on spying on civil society leaders (a bad thing, certainly), but without a base rate to compare with, it seems like conjectur…

1. That the legislative stranglehold on the eu and other bodies by this country is so strong that they do next to nothing to criticise/sanction israel despite literally being hacked by them? Post-pegasus as well. 2. This states lack of care and oftentimes facilitation of these groups, and their close ties to its military 3. The sense of neo mccarthyism that this creates with the idea of constant surveilance through t…

The article talks about a German MEP who was most likely targeted by Hungarian intelligence [0] due to his very vocal anti-Orban stance and how he was recently pushing against Hungary and Orban after his recent visits to Russia.

The perpetrator was most likely Hungarian intelligence who used a product they bought from an Israeli company.

Imo, the bigger question is why Hungary, Poland, Spain, Greece, and Cyprus (all countries part of the recent EU Spyware Scandal) [1] continue to allow their Interior Ministries to attack the phones of both domestic and foreign opponents.

[0] - https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/brussels-playbook/orban-c...

[1] - https://www.politico.eu/article/parliament-defense-subcommit...

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

#135

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Why couldn't the software engineers change? The geopolitical scene is much different today, and it's easy to see threats coming from your opposite pole

Can you elaborate what in your opinion changed in the geopolitical scene?

Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

#136

I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

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Except you know that isn't the case on HN because we still have a good standard of conversation and respect

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

#137

I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

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You're right this is HN not 4chan, because none of the things you said have actually happened here and people can easily have good respectful debate. It feels like you're attempting to use this as a way to silence debate around the country of origin rather than anything else

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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No they're not. You're the top comment on this post, despite contributing very little to this discussion. Israel and the geopolitics around mercenary spyware coming out of that country is a very regular occurrence on this site. Despite a few instances of people trying to downplay the connection or redirect the conversation, there is ample discussion of this topic. I know this because I follow this topic closely and r…

It obviously wasn't the top comment when I posted it. When I came into the discussion most were about not attributing it to the state in question despite no evidence either way, and downplaying it. And, the fact that my comment has come to the top means that it has seemingly resonated with a lot of users with similar experiences (~+70pts). If you do actually follow the topic very closely, or read one or two comments…

It doesn't matter the country. When any country is accused of hacking its always "how do you know, it can all be faked, its a flase flag". It's weird deflections and pretending hacking is a ghostly nightmare done by geniuses never seen by the light of day. The reality is so much more humble: it's a desk job done by above average workers with a couple smart ones captured by nation states. They make mistakes and thus can be tracked. But nope, each time every discussion has to rehash a sophomoric discussion on the nature of truth and knowledge.

Unless it's the US as hacker. Then no one is inpressed.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

#139

I notice issues relating to these groups (israeli cyber groups) are very quick to be denied or delegitimised on HN

Israel, despite being a small country, has a very successful tech/IT sector, esp in the security space. Probably IDF acolytes bridging over to the private sector. Israel is widely known to participate in social psyop campaigns as well. It is not farfetched to think they have a pulse on popular tech forums like HN.

Exactly, it's far more likely than not. It's just a question of how much. I wish this influence was catalogued and publicised like russia.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

#140

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Well, do you have anything interesting to say about the political implications? Because i'm not sure what they are. If we knew who was responsible, we could talk about motive and implications of that, but we don't. I guess we could consider the broader picture of if this represents an increase on spying on civil society leaders (a bad thing, certainly), but without a base rate to compare with, it seems like conjectur…

1. That the legislative stranglehold on the eu and other bodies by this country is so strong that they do next to nothing to criticise/sanction israel despite literally being hacked by them? Post-pegasus as well. 2. This states lack of care and oftentimes facilitation of these groups, and their close ties to its military 3. The sense of neo mccarthyism that this creates with the idea of constant surveilance through t…

Or alternatively, there isn't really any evidence that the Israeli government was involved in this, which is probably why its not getting very much flak for this.

Maybe you could make the argument there should be better export restrictions on private companies to treat so called "cyber-weapons" like real weapons. There are a bunch of efforts on this front. You kind of have to have the treaties in place before you can start exerting diplomatic pressure in regards to them. There are plenty of people working on that, but the wheels of the UN move slowly. Anyways, this particular incident doesn't change much in that regard.

For 3, i dont really think this incident (a failed hacking attempt of a type that is pretty typical) really changes or says anything about constant surveilence. We are already way into the era of constant surveilence.

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