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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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I don’t understand how this isn’t anti-competitive behavior. It seems like reddit has to offer this deal with similar terms to google’s competitors.

They do offer that deal to others; a big news story was when OpenAI bought Reddit's data they were selling: https://openai.com/index/openai-and-reddit-partnership/

yep, but for things which are "only" search engines it's not a viable offer. Only if you expect "big AI business value" from it does it make sense, maybe.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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But, apparently, they did finally find a way to make money.

>But, apparently, they did finally find a way to make money. The most recent 10-K financial results 2024-03-31 (filed 2024-05-08) shows they actually lost money: https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=1713445 (For 2024-Q1, Reddit lost -$575 million on revenue of $242 M.) If the quoted "$60 million deal" [1] from Feb 2024 is accurate, that small amount from Google may not be enough for Reddit to turn a profit. It remai…

Wow, perhaps I’m naive but what the hell are they spending over $800M a year on? That seems an obscene amount for a glorified message board.

I just read they have 2000 employees which is also puzzling to me

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The strange thing to me is how everybody keeps trying to make distributed Twitter happen when distributed Reddit is the low hanging fruit for federated social media. You don't want to end up banned from a movies forum because you also participate in a political forum. Federation solves that problem because you can use separate accounts without either forum knowing that you also use the other.

They had this years ago, and they were called "forums."

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#134

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My rant above and your response reminded me of all those tons of MMO games out there that are ancient, with a tiny playerbase, that remain profitable nonetheless simply because if you have a product that people like using, putting it into maintenance mode and doing the bare minimum to keep it running is a perfectly valid business strategy. The companies that buy these service games and run them effectively just buy c…

>The companies that buy these service games and run them effectively just buy completed money printers and keep them operating. I hadn't really thought about that topic in that way before. Really explains why some of those older MMOs have no desire to really make any improvements, the owners are happy to just keep them powered up and collect a check but have no incentive to invest in making them better.

I think the notion that sometimes things are just "done" is incredibly undervalued in our industry. Frankly I wish a ton of games I play would STOP updating.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#135

Wow, reddit found a way to make themselves even less useful somehow. After the API fiasco, that seemed like it'd be pretty hard to do.

The only things it does for me is forcing me to use Google as a large amount of the answers I need is on reddit.

> The only things it does for me is forcing me to use Google

Startpage, Kagi and Lukol are 3 that source from Google. I imagine there are others.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#136

Worse it doesn't even really "work" anymore, giving how most search are flooded with garbage SEO results and payed advertisements "basically" looking like search results (most times more garbage not what you are looking for results, int he cases where it isn't it quite often times is on the line of "googles algorithm blackmailing companies to buy ads for users which want to find them through google but wouldn't witho…

> Worse it doesn't even really "work" anymore, giving how most search are flooded with garbage SEO results and payed advertisements "basically" looking like search results ...

I don't understand what you're saying. That's exactly why people append `site:reddit.com` to their searches in the first place, because those search results typically aren't like that.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The strange thing to me is how everybody keeps trying to make distributed Twitter happen when distributed Reddit is the low hanging fruit for federated social media. You don't want to end up banned from a movies forum because you also participate in a political forum. Federation solves that problem because you can use separate accounts without either forum knowing that you also use the other.

>The strange thing to me is how everybody keeps trying to make distributed Twitter happen when distributed Reddit is the low hanging fruit for federated social media.

Honestly, it's strange to me how hard people are trying to make distributed anything happen. Federation mostly solves a problem that real people don't have or care about.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The network effects are too strong. Remember, the only reason Reddit "won" was because Digg destroyed itself with a radical upgrade that everyone hated. Reddit would have to do something similarly self-inflicted, and I can't even guess where people would go. Reddit was already an alternative to Digg -- what's the alternative to Reddit? I mean, it's certainly not Quora.

>Reddit was already an alternative to Digg -- what's the alternative to Reddit?

This site is essentially 'orange reddit', they just need to add sub-HNs or tagging or something and it'd be ready for an influx of reddit refugees. Not that any of really want it, but it's possible.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#139

This is an interesting development. How many other sites might have leverage to charge to be indexed? I don't want to live in a world where you have to use X search engine to get answers from Y site - but this seems like the beginning of that world. From an efficiency perspective - it's obviously better for websites to just lease their data to search engines then both sides paying tons of bandwidth and compute to get…

That seems like the business model for streaming. You subscribe to X provider to watch Y series. So, as for streaming, I suppose a pirate bay search engine will come up

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#140

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Kagi uses at least Google and Mojeek edit: > Realistically, there are only 2 search engines now. https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...

> Realistically, there are only 2 search engines now. From the article: Many alternatives to GBY [Google, Bing, and Yandex] exist, but almost none of them have their own results; This seems to assert that ~0 other search providers do any crawling at all. Ever. Are we sure that's the case? (they could crawl but never ever return those results == more odd).

It's a very long article so understandable that you did not read on and learn about other search engines crawling beyond GBY. Still there are indeed very few that are crawling at web scale, and internationally. We are at 8 billion pages and totally independent [0], hence expressing our concerns to 404 media after being blanked by Reddit.

[0] https://www.mojeek.com/about/why-mojeek

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