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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by austhrow743 »

verandaguy wrote: post #122
nlawalker wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not opt-in for the owner of the network, who should really have a say in the matter. Why? It’s literally just a shortcut for asking for the password from someone who already has it and then having it read it out loud or texted. If the owner of the network doesn’t want that happening they need to explain that in either case.

It’s a shortcut that deprives the network owner of agency. As the person running the network, should you not have some degree of control over who gets to join your network, be it fully open, fully closed, or anywhere in between?

How does it change the network owners ability to decide who gets to join their network?

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by zinekeller »

kelnos wrote: post #129
voltaireodactyl wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This assumes such a database is necessary in this first place, which in my mind would require serious justification to prove, given that it creates a situation where the customer’s security is degraded by default.

I do wonder how much it actually does improve location accuracy on phones. Certainly if you have no GPS signal at all it'll give you something rather than nothing, but if you do have GPS, does it really improve things?

If you are in an urban area (especially at the time it was introduced), it will really improve things, mainly because GPS* signal reflections in urban areas disrupt proper positioning. It won't put you into another continent but it tends to be around two magnitudes worse, especially when you're moving (from ~1 meter to ~100 meters). The fact that multi-band GPS is now common does reduce this problem, but this is still helpful in dense areas with high skyscrapers that can still attenuate both bands.

* I'm using GPS here as shorthand for all GNSS systems (including GLONASS and Galileo).

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by tczMUFlmoNk »

OJFord wrote: post #93
freitasm wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is wrong with "Roger" and "Wilco"? These are shorter. And remind me of the voice chat program Roger Wilco too.

Well 'ack' is even shorter, and the common form of 'ACKNOWLEDGED' for such use. I've seen & used both ack & wilco in a technical/software chat context.

I use this, though I find that many folks, including many technical folks, interpret it as an exclamation of distaste (as in, "agh! ach! ack!"), so it may pay to be judicious.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by X-Istence »

JohnFen wrote: post #42
cogthrow wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll be glad to hear that SMS already doesn't have reactions

If you're texting with an iOS user and they use a reaction, Apple "helpfully" forwards the reaction as text. Which is OK. What I don't like is that it also quotes the complete text that the person reacted to.

Android does this too. I am in several group chat's with Android users and their reactions are also sent the same way.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by lokar »

whyoh wrote: post #65

This kinda reminds me of a feature Windows (Phone) used to have, where it would share your Wi-Fi password with the device's contacts automatically. To opt-out you had to add _optout to the SSID name. https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sens... It looks like this feature was removed eventually, but it's just one of those tasteless things that MS does every once in a while.

Tasteless describes pretty much every about Microsoft

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by plorg »

kelnos wrote: post #129
voltaireodactyl wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This assumes such a database is necessary in this first place, which in my mind would require serious justification to prove, given that it creates a situation where the customer’s security is degraded by default.

I do wonder how much it actually does improve location accuracy on phones. Certainly if you have no GPS signal at all it'll give you something rather than nothing, but if you do have GPS, does it really improve things?

At my workplace it used to identify my location as various places within a 300 mile radius of my actual location correlating (at best) to places where our ISP had a footprint, but sometimes even places that it didn't. In any case I had never connected to to our WiFi with my phone, so it would have to be correlating the IPs of users who had. I eventually found a place where you could submit location services corrections to Google and now it gets within 100 feet of the building.

We used to joke about making a digital sign above our office door saying "Welcome to ___" which would use the location returned by the Google AGPS service.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by TeMPOraL »

freitasm wrote: post #63
TeMPOraL wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Also, if the message proposes any action, it should be appropriate to reply with "Make it so.".

What is wrong with "Roger" and "Wilco"? These are shorter. And remind me of the voice chat program Roger Wilco too.

Nothing. "Make it so." isn't "I'll make it so" (aka. wilco) - it's "you make it so". "I agree with your idea, so you go make it happen".

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by kalleboo »

verandaguy wrote: post #122
nlawalker wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not opt-in for the owner of the network, who should really have a say in the matter. Why? It’s literally just a shortcut for asking for the password from someone who already has it and then having it read it out loud or texted. If the owner of the network doesn’t want that happening they need to explain that in either case.

It’s a shortcut that deprives the network owner of agency. As the person running the network, should you not have some degree of control over who gets to join your network, be it fully open, fully closed, or anywhere in between?

If you need control over who joins your network, implement 802.1x or a captive portal or something. If you just use a WPA key, people will always share them, you can't stop them, there are literally crowdsourced online databases of "free internet" WiFi keys

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by [deleted] »

verandaguy wrote: post #122
nlawalker wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not opt-in for the owner of the network, who should really have a say in the matter. Why? It’s literally just a shortcut for asking for the password from someone who already has it and then having it read it out loud or texted. If the owner of the network doesn’t want that happening they need to explain that in either case.

It’s a shortcut that deprives the network owner of agency. As the person running the network, should you not have some degree of control over who gets to join your network, be it fully open, fully closed, or anywhere in between?

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