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Re: Let's stop counting centuries

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post #13

I thought this article was railing against the lumping together of entire spans of hundreds of years as being alike (ie, we lump together 1901 and 1999 under the name ”the 1900s” despite their sharing only numerical similarity), and was interested until I learned the author’s real, much less interesting intention

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Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#133

I do tend to say "the XX00s", since it's almost always significantly clearer than "the (XX+1)th century". > There’s no good way to refer to 2000-2009, sorry. This isn't really an argument against the new convention, since even in the old convention there was no convenient way of doing so. People mostly just say "the early 2000s" or explicitly reference a range of years. Very occasionally you'll hear "the aughts".

The 2000-2009’s are the aughts!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/noughties#English

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#134
post #57

A lot of this runaround is happening because people get hung up on the fact that the "AD" era began as AD 1. But that year is not magic--it didn't even correlate with the year of Jesus's birth or death. So let's just start the AD era a year before, and call that year "AD 0". It can even overlap with BC 1. BC 1 is the same as AD 0. Fine, we can handle that, right? Then the 00s are [0, 100), 100s are [100, 200), etc. Z…

Things like "17th century", "1600s", or "1990s" are rarely exact dates, and almost always fuzzy. It really doesn't matter what the exact start and end day is. If you need exact dates then use exact dates. A calendar change like this is a non-starter. A lot of disruption for no real purpose other than pleasing some pedantics.

Exactly. Historians often talk about things like "the long 18th century" running from 1688 (Britian's "Glorious Revolution") to 1815 (the defeat of Napoleon) because it makes sense culturally to have periods that don't exactly fit 100-year chunks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_eighteenth_century

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#135
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 2000-2009’s are the aughts!

I think you mean "twenty-aughts" (to differentiate them from the nineteen-aughts, 1900-1909).

I wonder at what point we can just assume decades belong to the current century. Will "the twenties" in the US always primarily mean Prohibition, flappers, and Al Capone or will it ever mean this decade?

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#137
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we should have simply started counting centuries from zero Latin, like Lua, is 1-indexed.

I feel like the Romans had an excuse for that mistake. Not sure about Lua.

I don't think it is a mistake for Lua. The convention to zero-index arrays is not sacrosanct, it's just the way older languages did it (due to implementation details) and thus how people continue to do it. But it's very counter-intuitive, and I think it's fair game for new languages to challenge assumptions that we hold because we're used to past languages.

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#138
I think this is incorrect. Don't centuries start with the 00? In that case the first year of a century is 0, and the 76th year would be 75, not 76 as the author writes:

> starting in 1776, not in the 76th year of the 18th century.

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For that matter, a lot of historical dates we consider important are only important to us because A) we're westerners and B) we got them drilled into us by textbooks and classes. The remaining majority of the world (the west is a minority) sincerely couldn't care less about the American or French or Industrial Revolutions or Columbus (re)discovering America or the Hundred Years War or the Black Death or the Fall of R…

Appeal to ignorance and anti-intellectualism, congrats.

Let me put it this way: Can you really blame someone for not knowing a historical fact that is completely irrelevant to their life, especially when they probably have more pressing concerns to learn and care about?

We only have so many hours in a day and so many days in a lifetime, while knowledge is practically infinite.

Re: Let's stop counting centuries

#140

I think this is incorrect. Don't centuries start with the 00? In that case the first year of a century is 0, and the 76th year would be 75, not 76 as the author writes: > starting in 1776, not in the 76th year of the 18th century.

No, because there was no year zero. The first century started in the year 1 AD.
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