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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by nicoburns »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #76
cjk2 wrote: post #16

Why the hell aren't the EU and the FTC suing the shit out of them for bundling, telemetry, lock in, gouging, shitty defaults?

Sadly I think the enthusiasm with which the market embraced this behaviour in mobile, console and IoT makes it legally difficult for Microsoft to be punished. How can you penalise Microsoft for pushing OneDrive by default but not penalise Apple for iCloud? Should multiple backup providers be suggested at startup for economic fairness? Or should backups be disabled by default (potentially annoying consumers of mobile…

IMO While Apple are pushing iCloud harder than they really should be allowed to, but it's nowhere near as bad as what Microsoft are doing. With Apple there's a simple opt-out in the setup wizard, and if you opt-out you stay opted-out (and are only prompted to opt-in once a year with the major OS update).

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by aidenn0 »

hhh wrote: post #116
cjk2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not by saying "no" you can't. You have to fuck around with shift+F10 and oobe stuff. This was tested on 23H2 yesterday.

Yes, you can. I just now downloaded a win11 23H2 iso and installed w11 pro without going outside of the OOBE. Sure, you shouldn't have to click 'domain join instead' etc, but you can absolutely do it without doing anything outside of the OOBE. Here are the exact steps I used: https://pastebin.com/nDnLBYg2

Does the "domain join" work even if you don't have an AD server setup to join to?

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by lolinder »

gear54rus wrote: post #122
suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

Did you login with ms account? if so, why? I don't think it can upload if you aren't logged in.

> if so, why?

Have you tried installing Windows 11 without signing in to a Microsoft account? It's very difficult to do and the instructions online keep having to change as Microsoft makes it more and more difficult. What I'm finding now [0] involves using a hotkey to open command prompt at a certain part of the installation process and running a command to disable the internet before you proceed.

[0] https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-witho...

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by amanzi »

malfist wrote: post #79
amanzi wrote: post #50

I'm all for hating on Microsoft for their continued destruction of the local Windows 11 experience, but I actually think this is a good decision. Assuming you're logging in with a Microsoft account, and assuming you have a OneDrive account, it's a better experience to set up the folder backup feature as early as possible in the set-up process. If you really don't want it, it's easy to undo. I still don't like being f…

I think a company, without my permission, copying my personal files to their server is the definition of not a good decision

Note that this is only during set-up, so at that point you don't have any personal files on the machine. And this is only if you're logging in with a Microsoft account with a valid OneDrive account. The article is light on details, but I assume (hope) there's some UI to explain what's going on.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by justsomehnguy »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #28
hhh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still use it offline without an account just fine with Pro SKUs and up.

Installed Windows 11 Pro, had to do some CLI dickery to get the option for local only account.

ITT: people complain about 'CLI dickery' in Windows but arguing for Linux.

*shrug_emoji*

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by davisr »

suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

Now you understand why Stallman was right. If you don't want to get shafted, the only way is to control 100% of the software running on your machine. One either does that with totally free/libre software, or they don't.

No one can or should trust non-free software. Period.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

slavik81 wrote: post #75

Tech companies in general seem to struggle with consent. Even when they bother to ask, they often refuse to take "no" for an answer, only offering "maybe later."

> Tech companies in general seem to struggle with consent.

This is why Louis Rossman started describing these behaviors as a “rapist mentality” of tech companies. It’s a violation of consent, an exploitation of their anti-competitive size (yes just their size is inherently a problem that distorts the market).

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by gear54rus »

lolinder wrote: post #133
gear54rus wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you login with ms account? if so, why? I don't think it can upload if you aren't logged in.

> if so, why? Have you tried installing Windows 11 without signing in to a Microsoft account? It's very difficult to do and the instructions online keep having to change as Microsoft makes it more and more difficult. What I'm finding now [0] involves using a hotkey to open command prompt at a certain part of the installation process and running a command to disable the internet before you proceed. [0] https://www.tom…

I guess mine just came pre-installed without that. But my point still stands, just don't interact with the crap and you're still somewhat safer.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by tomrod »

suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

Perhaps time for me to leave VS Code. I have suitable replacements for everything else MSoft. The plug-ins ecosystem is helpful, but what the heck!

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by neither_color »

suby wrote: post #101

This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I don't like leaving negative or hyperbolic comments on HN, but this was enraging and unacceptable to me. It's hard to convey without coming off as unhinged

You're not unhinged, there's been a fundamental change in internet culture and the early 2000s free internet people are considered loony now. Ive been laughed out of Discord groups(it's what the under 30s use these days instead of chats and forums, and is itself problematic) for talking about these things.

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