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Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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If economic value is defined through markets, how then does one argue against markets' ability to assign value? What words should be used other than value?

Typical words for this include “monopoly/monopsony”, “regulatory capture”, and “necessity goods”. There are others, too, but they generally don’t apply to creative outputs.

While those words are used to critique market failings, none of then are necessarily about the value of something independent of market efficiency. They always assume that the market assigns value correctly as long as you just avoid monopolies. They start with the assumption that markets work at assigning value for all things.

How does a market determine cultural value. What is the value of a priceless family heirloom? What is the value of human connections? How do you communicate these thoughts without first assuming that markets correctly assign value?

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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> how most people use the word I don't know about "most". The very first meaning (1 a) in your reference is "having monetary value", which is how I have been using the word. > Artists do not provide valuable work...their work is of (very) low value Maybe not in your subjective judgment (and both of the definitions you cited for "valuable" are subjective), but other people's subjective judgment might differ from yours…

You keep on insisting I said art has no value and implying people don't pay. Please show me when and where I said that. I said art has a low real value and that its perceived value has historically been vastly overblown. Yes, people pay money for art (including me), but the pricing has been steadily falling due to increasing supply (more artists) and efficiency (digital technologies). "AI" in particular is likely goi…

> the pricing has been steadily falling due to increasing supply (more artists)

The average price has because the increase in supply (which, as you say, is being dramatically facilitated by digital technologies and will be even more so by AI) drastically increases the variability in quality.

I think your categorical statements don't take into account that large variability.

> art just doesn't serve any of life's needs

I have already explained why I disagree with this. I think your concept of what has value is too narrow. I don't disagree that there is much "art" produced that has little or no value--and I don't spend any money on it. But that doesn't mean I think all art has little or no value. Some works of art--the ones I've spent significant money on--have had a great deal of value for me, and for many other people.

Re: Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off

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The statement "Creative workers deserve better than a choice as to who rips them off" reflects a sentiment shared by many in the creative industries, emphasizing the need for fair compensation and ethical treatment.Addressing these issues requires concerted efforts from multiple stakeholders, including industry leaders, policymakers, advocacy groups, and the creators themselves. By fostering a fair and transparent environment, we can ensure that creative workers receive the respect and compensation they deserve.
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