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Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

"Relief that Apple is finally bringing generative AI to its devices added more than $260bn to its stock market value this week. Over the next few years, Apple AI could fuel a massive hardware upgrade cycle. It will only work on a very small number of existing devices, so most customers will have to buy a new and more powerful iPhone, iPad or Mac to see Apple Intelligence."

Any tactic the so-called "tech" company can use to get people to buy new computers. When the old ones are still working fine.

https://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?d=732027381763&w=c_PUW-0p05q...

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by paulmd »

rsynnott wrote: post #117
crazygringo wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Objectively, no it doesn't. Even if you think it's a bubble, then the bubble is just growing. There are zero signs of anything popping yet. Company valuations are only increasing. > Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? It makes sense when you look at the financials. It's like back in 1800's when railroads were the new thing, and imagine there were only…

> Objectively, no it doesn't. Even if you think it's a bubble, then the bubble is just growing. There are zero signs of anything popping yet. Ever seen a bubble pop? It doesn't contract and then pop, usually. A hole develops, and almost immediately no more bubble. If you watch very closely, you might see signs of the end a fraction of a second before it vanishes. Like, this is why these phenomena are called bubbles;…

>> Objectively, no it doesn't. Even if you think it's a bubble, then the bubble is just growing. There are zero signs of anything popping yet.

> Ever seen a bubble pop? It doesn't contract and then pop, usually. A hole develops, and almost immediately no more bubble. If you watch very closely, you might see signs of the end a fraction of a second before it vanishes.

Well, if that’s the case then why is the OP arguing that the bubble is popping based on feelings and vibes instead of objective data caused by the rapid popping of the bubble that you postulate?

Literally you’re saying the bubble is going to pop so fast that it’s noticeable to everyone and objectively undeniable in fact, the numbers are going to show it, and that’s why… grandparent’s vibes are evidence that it’s happening, quickly and indisputably, despite the failure of the numbers to show it?

Incoherent take.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by paulmd »

rsynnott wrote: post #122
seunosewa wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should trust it as much as you'd trust another human. The quality of the LLM matters. The better LLMs don't hallucinate as much as the rest. ChatGPT-4 appears to be trained to consult the web when it receives questions for which it's likely to hallucinate, such as questions about hard figures.

> You should trust it as much as you'd trust another human. Eh? Only a sociopath, when confronted with a question they don't know the answer to, confidently makes something up. The human may not know the answer, but they generally know whether they know the answer or not. The machine does not (of course, it doesn't _know_ anything). You should absolutely trust something less than this far less than the average human.

> Only a sociopath, when confronted with a question they don't know the answer to, confidently makes something up. The human may not know the answer, but they generally know whether they know the answer or not.

What? No. Literally fake memories are such a well-known phenomenon the cops will abuse it to generate fake solutions to crimes etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation

Also there are people for which compulsive lying is a pathological problem, who are definitely not sociopaths, and there are many people who demonstrate the processes to non-pathological/non-clinical levels. People will, indeed, “just make it up” perhaps especially if they don’t really know the answer, because that’s socially embarrassing etc - that’s literally the opposite of sociopathy.

https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/compulsive-lying

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by theshaper »

thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

Your opinion doesn't seem fair to Nvidia.

>Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world?

This could just as easily be written as:

Apple as the most valuable company in the world?

Microsoft as the most valuable company in the world?

Tesla as the most valuable company in the world?

I won't be the one to defend Nvidia, but I don't find any solid arguments to consider its business model worse or better than those of the 'other' IT companies.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by glhaynes »

hu3 wrote: post #129
glhaynes wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very clear when ChatGPT gets involved - you get a prompt asking you if you want to send the query to ChatGPT ("ChatGPT" being referred to by name). There's no feasible way to have your data sent to ChatGPT unintentionally. Anyway, ChatGPT was a very small portion of the Apple Intelligence demo. The significant majority of the functionality they showed (all the non-ChatGPT stuff) was on-device or in Apple's Priva…

Does it ask every time?

It certainly appears so; every demo they showed makes it very apparent when you’re taking the step of starting to interact with ChatGPT. Starting at 01:36:09: https://www.youtube.com/live/RXeOiIDNNek?si=GZu_U8pFxfhLYCNt

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by [deleted] »

danaris wrote: post #101
cogman10 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, web 2.0 was a super hype back in the late 90s early 00s. Everyone was all about advertising their adoption and development of web 2.0. Web 3.0 was never really a thing, beyond some crypto enthusiasts nobody cared. As for crypto, I probably should have said blockchain instead. There was one point recently where everything was block chained.

"Everything"—but not from the big tech giants. None of the FAANG companies, to my knowledge, offered a blockchain-based product.

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Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by retrocryptid »

zombiwoof wrote: post #72
retrocryptid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's as if apple had a pair of visionary co-founders who are no longer with the company and the people left are excellent at getting things done but don't have an intuitive understanding of what people want.

Correct but I would argue after Siri hasn’t improved in 15 years they can’t even execute to get things done Hence the WwDC was no live demos and all “future promised” features we have seen everywhere else already

I don't know why apple passed on kuato (the next version of Siri from SRI.) I think it was around the time Jobs was getting seriously ill.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by retrocryptid »

rty32 wrote: post #91
retrocryptid wrote: post #15

I know Apple is relevant because they have a lot of money. But when was the last time their products were relevant? 2008 w/ the iPhone? 2010 with the iPad? 2002 w/ the iPod? MacBooks in 1998? Most of my family uses iPhones and it's painful to watch them struggle with basic tasks. My mom tries to find out how to access gmail instead of me.com. My brother downloads yet another app to add metadata to pictures. No one at…

I have to point out that the new M series macbook and Apple watch are immensely popular (and just to name two of them), to the point they change the established market -- Windows market share dropped below 90% despite being at around 95% for many years, and people who never wore a watch are wearing an Apple watch every day.

Yes. They are popular among people who buy arm-based macs.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by retrocryptid »

mrkramer wrote: post #38
retrocryptid wrote: post #15

I know Apple is relevant because they have a lot of money. But when was the last time their products were relevant? 2008 w/ the iPhone? 2010 with the iPad? 2002 w/ the iPod? MacBooks in 1998? Most of my family uses iPhones and it's painful to watch them struggle with basic tasks. My mom tries to find out how to access gmail instead of me.com. My brother downloads yet another app to add metadata to pictures. No one at…

Apple is iPhone company but they accumulated so much cash and talent that they can take a swing at anything they want.

Except cars and second gen vr headsets.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by choeger »

pjc50 wrote: post #109
choeger wrote: post #56

"AI" (or rather language models) will change the world. But in a very different way. They aren't (and won't become) AGI. They aren't (and won't) replace software engineers (but maybe help them to write better software, or more realistically churn out even more bad software). And they aren't and won't become ultra-wise oracles that can solve any task you throw at them. But they are an interface between the real world…

> Here are a few services that might get by without a web browser or app soon: > 1. online banking ??! You've got a system of unpredictable reliability and you're going to let it handle money? Online banking has always been extremely conservative, sometimes for good reason.

> ??! You've got a system of unpredictable reliability and you're going to let it handle money?

Yes. Recall phone banking? I imagine it like that. Potentially via a chat service like Whatsapp or signal.

You'd start with simple standard tasks and low limits, if course. But the risk and value can be directly quantified in online banking.

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