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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by growse »

127 wrote: post #115

I'm going to be the controversial one here and just claim that more harm is currently done by unrestricted social media than any privacy invasions. Predators have free reign to do whatever they wish anonymously and get away with it. I don't want a dystopian big brother watching over my back, but that's where we are going if somebody doesn't come up with alternatives to control the abuse. I would personally vote for g…

This sounds like the privilege of never having been persecuted by your own government. And the lack of empathy towards and acknowledgment of those who are.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by LadyCailin »

sakex wrote: post #65

Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU

As a Norwegian, I’m not sure this matters. You think app publishers are going to release a Swiss/Norwegian version that doesn’t have that? Nah, they’ll just release the same version with chat control in all of Europe. (Besides the fact that Norway usually rubber stamps EU rules without much consideration, which maybe isn’t a problem in Switzerland)

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by rekoil »

rvnx wrote: post #119
sva_ wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that we have to deal with this bullshit every couple months is a pretty depressing fact on its own.

Add on top of that bullshit, the new plastic caps that the EU imposed instead of doing a refundable deposit per [bottle/cap pair].

I'm sorry, are you talking about the plastic caps that stay attached to plastic bottles so that they are more likely to be disposed of properly rather than end up in some marine (or other nature) environment?

I cannot believe you're comparing that (an effort designed to make recycling more effective, which is generally a good thing) to EU citizens entirely losing our access to privacy in the digital world.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by Moldoteck »

sakex wrote: post #65

Another day I'm happy my country (Switzerland) respects its citizens wishes to not join EU

1- if you talk to a person from eu, your data will be affected 2- nobody guarantees switzerland will not want to do the same thing, just like UK. 3- switzerland is not part of eu, but certain behavior of sw is influenced by the eu's decisions, since basically all the border is shared with eu countries and those can put pressure on switzerland to adapt certain laws (ofc not openly)

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by bigfudge »

hgancy wrote: post #127
Jensson wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.

Passing is one thing. They waste everyone's time by threatening to pass idiotic legislation every 6 months. But perhaps that is the goal so people do not investigate why the EU is getting poorer and all money goes into housing and healthcare.

The median EU citizen is not getting poorer relative to the median US citizen. Don't confuse growing income inequality with "national wealth".

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by shiroiushi »

zaik wrote: post #81
matricaria wrote: post #4

Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?

I self-host a standard XMPP server for my family. Let's see how long it takes before this is illegal too.

You actually get them to use it? That's the problem with most of these ideas: sure, you can just roll your own encryption, chat program, etc., but getting the people in your life to use it is another matter. My mom has enough trouble using the popular and ubiquitous chat app we communicate through; something custom is going to be beyond her.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by generic92034 »

BobFromEnzyte wrote: post #113

The folks over at Tuta interviewed Patrick Breyer about this yesterday and his explanation of Chat Control is downright sinister. Link here: https://youtu.be/wSEI-dg3Hpo Let's keep spreading the word about this, the whole Chat Control debate seems to be ignored right now in the media.

> Let's keep spreading the word about this, the whole Chat Control debate seems to be ignored right now in the media.

Maybe it is not purely by chance that the EU is dealing with this topic during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024 ? ;)

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by sph »

egorfine wrote: post #18

They won't stop, won't they.

The joys of representative democracy. The people are told they are free, but it's the oligarchy in their ivory tower that decide for you.

Every few years you get told you can vote for the next liar to do their bidding in your name, and we, the people, keep the circus alive by telling each other "your vote counts! It's your fault if they're all thieves!"

Government won't stop monitoring each and every citizen, and citizens have stopped any form of resistance, political or technological. Even in tech niches like this, cryptoanarchist ideas get routinely derided as useless and scams. We have lost.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by Xelbair »

xalava wrote: post #97

Dear HNautes, Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing. It might even have an adversarial effect. If you want to be helpful, please consider more strategic alternatives such raising awareness among the general public, writing thoughtful arguments, or joining specialized non-profits or political parties.

>Politicians in Europe generally do not appreciate mass, repetitive emailing. It might even have an adversarial effect.

tough luck, it's their job. if they lash out due to that they are unfit to be in positions of power.

Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Post by 127 »

growse wrote: post #131
127 wrote: post #115

I'm going to be the controversial one here and just claim that more harm is currently done by unrestricted social media than any privacy invasions. Predators have free reign to do whatever they wish anonymously and get away with it. I don't want a dystopian big brother watching over my back, but that's where we are going if somebody doesn't come up with alternatives to control the abuse. I would personally vote for g…

This sounds like the privilege of never having been persecuted by your own government. And the lack of empathy towards and acknowledgment of those who are.

True. But I have been subjected to a massive amount of hybrid war and influence operations by other adversarial entities. Persecution is bad. So is degrading democracy and turning people against each other.
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