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Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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freedomben wrote: post #127
seadan83 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be drawing a false equivalence. Left wing solutions to things like porn, gambling, drugs, sex work, abortion - is to regulate them so that they are "safe" (harm-reduced) & then find ways to reduce those activities in first place & provide support for people to get out of those activities. Left wing considers these as social problems - not legal. In contrast, right wing views these as problems to be…

Where do you see the group of people who are libertarian on the issue? In other words, people who think that the premise that drugs are immoral is flawed, and they should be regulated for safety, but society does not need to discourage their use and certainly does not need to ban them. I see those people as on the moderately far left, at least in the United States. There are plenty of people on the moderately far lef…

> Where do you see the group of people who are libertarian on the issue?

The libertarian party platform states: "we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes" [1]

Which I interpret as full legalization of all drugs. It is interesting that this is essentially an extreme left point of view on the topic. I really think libertarian philosophy is just kinda fascinating. I'm now curious though on where libertarians stand on tort laws.

[1] https://www.lp.org/platform/

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by seadan83 »

dotnet00 wrote: post #96
seadan83 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be drawing a false equivalence. Left wing solutions to things like porn, gambling, drugs, sex work, abortion - is to regulate them so that they are "safe" (harm-reduced) & then find ways to reduce those activities in first place & provide support for people to get out of those activities. Left wing considers these as social problems - not legal. In contrast, right wing views these as problems to be…

I'm mainly going off of the story of how IIRC a couple of years ago, PH was forced to wipe most of their site due to left-wing activists pressuring payment processors into threatening to block PH's basic means of doing business if they didn't meet the somewhat absurd demand of filtering out all harmful/unethical material. Sure, they technically didn't use the legal system, they just used the technicality that payment…

Citations for which left wing activists?

In contrast, I would consider Charlie Kirk as a right-wing activist (hopefully this will work as a good example). If there were an action taken by him and similarly small group of activists, perhaps with backing from their organization - I would be very hesitant to extrapolate that action as broadly representative of "the right."

Which is to say, left wing or right wing activists might not be representative of the broader views, and also those broader views might not be consistent (not everyone on the right/left agree on everything)

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by seadan83 »

verticalscaler wrote: post #102
seadan83 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide citations/links and references? Though, I'm afraid this will be hard to quantify for you. You will also need to satisfy the burden of proof that those links/citations are prevalent ideas and constitute a representative sample of more than just a few individuals. What's more though, such a representative sample only just informs us about the population of HN commentators. I don't think that is a partic…

LOL

Given the number of downvotes you seem to get.. The HN community favors and rewards discussions that are based on data, and not just feelings or "I saw 5 people write X and from that I extrapolate X to be true for tens of millions of other people."

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Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by seadan83 »

seadan83 wrote: post #129
verticalscaler wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL

Cool deal dude. Confirmation bias and false extrapolation are common tools of the human mind to avoid the fact that very little is known for certain. Which is to say, humans are often uncomfortable acknowledging profound ignorance, and for most things - that's exactly what we are. Therefore, stating that a bunch of people on hacker news wrote something goes on to say absolutely nothing more than just exactly that. Th…

Minor mea culpa, I realize now the population you are extrapolating to is all HN threads regarding Twitter/Musk and not more broad. I apologize for misreading and inferring you were extrapolating to all of media and more. Nonetheless, the point of unsupported (or false) extrapolation stands.

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by dang »

verticalscaler wrote: post #12

Every Musk thread smacks of desperation since the histrionics on here the day he took over and fired all those indispensables. The site will go down imminently! Traffic is cratering! Everyone I know have switched to mylittlepony tooting on mastodon! I get it, you don’t like him, by all means. But stop manifesting reality. Edit: awww you guys, sorry if I hurt your feelings. Twitter is down, tooting ftw! musk bad, I co…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40565397.

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by verticalscaler »

seadan83 wrote: post #133
verticalscaler wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL

Given the number of downvotes you seem to get.. The HN community favors and rewards discussions that are based on data, and not just feelings or "I saw 5 people write X and from that I extrapolate X to be true for tens of millions of other people." Please review, these guidelines are what keeps this site different from Reddit or Twitter, or any other trolly comment section of just about any other website: https://new…

Follow your own rules when it comes to subjects that trigger you and all will be well.

If it is not clear, I find the histrionics a form of performative trolling.

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by verticalscaler »

seadan83 wrote: post #134
seadan83 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool deal dude. Confirmation bias and false extrapolation are common tools of the human mind to avoid the fact that very little is known for certain. Which is to say, humans are often uncomfortable acknowledging profound ignorance, and for most things - that's exactly what we are. Therefore, stating that a bunch of people on hacker news wrote something goes on to say absolutely nothing more than just exactly that. Th…

Minor mea culpa, I realize now the population you are extrapolating to is all HN threads regarding Twitter/Musk and not more broad. I apologize for misreading and inferring you were extrapolating to all of media and more. Nonetheless, the point of unsupported (or false) extrapolation stands.

Go and read those threads.

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by seadan83 »

verticalscaler wrote: post #137
seadan83 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minor mea culpa, I realize now the population you are extrapolating to is all HN threads regarding Twitter/Musk and not more broad. I apologize for misreading and inferring you were extrapolating to all of media and more. Nonetheless, the point of unsupported (or false) extrapolation stands.

Go and read those threads.

Burden of proof is for you to find specific examples, quote them, link them, then find data that those items did not come to pass. Following that, find more quotes that are similar, enough so that it's a persistent and significant percentage to constitute an actual trend. Until then, it's anecdata. You are the one making the claim, it is up to you to provide the evidence to back it.

Let's say I did read "those thread". If I were then to come back and say "nope - it all checked out, the histrionics were in your head." I'd wager you would respond by saying I read the wrong threads. I doubt you are willing to engage in a good-faith discussion further at this point. I'm not sure exactly which point you are making, which threads you are thinking, and I'm certainly not going to go try to find the evidence for a very vague claim that you are making.

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by seadan83 »

verticalscaler wrote: post #136
seadan83 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the number of downvotes you seem to get.. The HN community favors and rewards discussions that are based on data, and not just feelings or "I saw 5 people write X and from that I extrapolate X to be true for tens of millions of other people." Please review, these guidelines are what keeps this site different from Reddit or Twitter, or any other trolly comment section of just about any other website: https://new…

Follow your own rules when it comes to subjects that trigger you and all will be well. If it is not clear, I find the histrionics a form of performative trolling.

It's not about me here. You violated several of those discussion guidelines. Do better.

Re: X has new rules that officially allow porn

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Post by [deleted] »

verticalscaler wrote: post #137
seadan83 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minor mea culpa, I realize now the population you are extrapolating to is all HN threads regarding Twitter/Musk and not more broad. I apologize for misreading and inferring you were extrapolating to all of media and more. Nonetheless, the point of unsupported (or false) extrapolation stands.

Go and read those threads.

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