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How do our brains adapt to control an extra body part?

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I once saw a documentary on a haptic compass, built from some rumble packs. It allowed people to improve their way-finding skills, and if I recall correctly, people accustomed to the idea of having this extra sense after about a week or so. I can’t easily find the original research (somewhere in the 1990s), but several hackers and artists have rebuilt or rediscovered the idea. See for example https://blinry.org/compa…

Reminds me of when people used to get magnet implants in their fingers so they could sense electric fields.

People are still doing this and although results may vary significantly from person to person, there is actually utility to it. One friend of mine was saved from electric shock during his work on multiple occasions, thanks to his extra sense. Bioproofed neodymium implants can even be sourced from shady Chinese vendors at a very low price, indicating a certain level of demand. The only hurdle is finding someone willing to operate on you; some tattoo shop backroom is often a solution...

Re: How do our brains adapt to control an extra body part?

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There is a new shift in the understanding of coaching in sports called the Constraints-Led Approach (CLA). It's both super nerdy and practical (i.e., based on practitioners' empiric experience). Basically, it sees the body as a complex system of organs/tissues/cells that tries to solve movement problem under the pressure of different constraints. In a simple words, coaching then is the art of creating/manipulating co…

Yes constraints are great. My piano teacher would basically just repeat to me like mantra: - was it legato? - were you playing free from tension? - was your tone even? - were you in time? Very rarely would he actually ever tell me anything. And whenever I'd ask for more or feedback he'd just loop back to the questions and ask if I was actually listening to myself play. It was a very frustrating start but eventually i…

Great points! I've seen a couple of papers on CLA for music learning, but CLA is a subset of so-called "non-linear pedagogy", so maybe music education has its own "branch" of it, so to speak.

> I held the belief there was a "perfect way to play" the piano

Yes, CLA is actively debunking the myth of a "perfect technique" which is very popular in sports. Like a coach/teacher is one who knows the "perfect" way, and their job is to make students repeat an exercise over and over again, fixing deviations from "perfect" technique. This couldn't be more wrong according to CLA.

Already mentioned Bernstein introduced the concept of "repetition without repetition", which claims that repetition is important in learning but for a different reason. Each attempt of a movement will have slightly different "inputs" - constraints – and thus can't have a single "perfect" technique that will work for all variations of inputs. Each repetition will be slightly different (hence "without repetition"), and the goal of the proper learning process is to give the body enough "input data" to _discover_ the proper movement solution.

It's important to note that "constraints" is a wide term here, and there are few classes of constraints. Task and goal given to the student are constraints, so the size of the hand or level of fatigue. Even environment temperature, mental state, and light conditions are constraints.

Another important concept in CLA is action-perception coupling rooted in James Gibson's theory of perception. This one was mindblowing to me when I first read it. In essence, the brain perceives the world not as a set of geometric objects but as "actionable" items. What you can do directly influences how you see the world. That has direct implications for learning as well – mastering any skill (including playing a musical instrument) is coupled with perception, as your body has to react to how it sees/hears the result of its own movements.

But the core of CLA as an educational philosophy lays in acknowledging that the actual learning still has to happen inside your nervous system. You can't really "teach" a skill, only facilitate a discovery inside the student's body.

It's really fascinating how it all works in practice. One related concept in motor skill acquisition science is the Method of Error Amplification (MAE). Let's say, golf players make a fundamental error of not shifting weight onto the back foot after swinging. Instead of giving them verbal instruction "Shift weight to the back foot", coach might do the opposite – ask them to move weight to the *front foot*. This will increase the error, which will amplify the signal in the nervous system and the body will react to it as it now feels "more wrong" by itself. It's not super clear to which types of errors MAE is applicable, but the research on MAE is fascinating.

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I broke my Achilles tendon - had to have a FULL reconstruction - they took a tendon that used to help waggle my big toe (the muscle is in my leg) wrapped around my heel and back up my leg and rebuilt my achilles around that - now I have a muscle that used to wiggle my toe than moves my entire foot. How hard was it to relearn? at first I'd try to move my toe and something else would move, it felt weird - but doctor's…

I think if you just exit your subjective perspective, this type of adaptation becomes obvious. What is using a game controller, keyboard + mouse, bicycle handlebars, snowboard, etc but augmentation. Yeah, it's designed to be ergonomic from the outset, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an augment.

There was some research after the Vietnam war to provide blind veterans with a device on their back that used a matrix of 'pins' to 'draw' the output of a video camera on the users back..

Supposedly, it worked quite well - wearers got VERY good navigating with it and seemed to like the tech overall. Not sure why it disappeared - cost (it was probably made from pretty pricey tech for the time)? Weight ? battery life ?

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I started wearing a bath robe belt as a tail and my brain quickly starts telling me I am wearing it when I am not. I also had a phantom watch ⌚ on for a week after losing it.

Did HN start allowing emojis or did that one slip through the cracks because it pre-dates the inclusion of Japanese emojis?

>Watch was approved as part of Unicode 1.1 in 1993 and added to Emoji 1.0 in 2015.

https://emojipedia.org/watch#technical

Re: How do our brains adapt to control an extra body part?

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I think if you just exit your subjective perspective, this type of adaptation becomes obvious. What is using a game controller, keyboard + mouse, bicycle handlebars, snowboard, etc but augmentation. Yeah, it's designed to be ergonomic from the outset, but that doesn't change the fact that it is an augment.

Agreed. Furthermore, it feels uniquely weird when a scenario comes up where these "external augmentations" don't behave correctly. I often experience this when putting my laptop in the center of my normal desk setup. I'll instinctively go to move my laptop's mouse cursor via my desk mouse, and suddenly it doesn't work. For a brief moment it feels paralyzing, as if my arm is dead or etc.

That sensation happened to me as well! It feels like your mouse is stuck on something, you move it but the cursor doesn’t respond, only few moment later you realize that it isn’t connected to the notebook.

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It's like the overpopularization of the gluten free diet. It serves gluten intolerant people a lot.

Rolled our eyes at fad diets like gluten free (while knowing celiacs is a real thing) only for my wife to develop both lactose and gluten intolerance at 40. And I thought cutting HFCS was difficult. I’m glad that gluten free picked up in popularity now, but it’s still very difficult to shop at conventional grocery stores. Allergens listed on menus has been amazing.

I grew up with a celiac relative. It's great that there are so many gluten free options available now.

One rare downside is that all the people who only do gluten free as a fad don't really need to care about small amounts of gluten. So the 'gluten free' labelling aimed squarely at them can sometimes be rather misleading, ie some restaurants have gluten-light options but still label them as gluten free.

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Marshal McLuhan's book Understanding Media had the full title "Understanding media: the extensions of man." And he had a chapter about the automobile. If you've ever had the chilling experience of a skid, the terrifying adrenaline surge during that second where it is clear the car is no longer under your control, you know the dude was onto something. The car is an extension of our bodies. An extra body part.

I have pressed an imaginary "brake pedal" with my foot many times when travelling as a passenger in vehicles with someone else driving, just because i was watching the traffic and sensed the need to slow down. Another instancee -- In my country growing up we didnt always have "blinkers" on our vehicles (light motorbikes, scooters, bicycles) -- so it was common to use "hand signals" to indicate your intention to turn…

Hand signals are still common around the world for pushbikes.

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This doesn’t seem like an unusual finding considering how good humans are at tool use in general. Picking up objects and using them as if they were part of our own body is pretty standard for us. I remember that learning how to drive a car was actually quite difficult, but by now, even rental cars seem like an extension of my body that I can control mostly unconsciously. (Operating vehicles while entirely unconscious…

Isn't it also like gaming, especially with a controller? How "good" you are with gaming is at least a function of how well your brain is able to remap desired actions into necessary controller input muscle movements.

And most games try to reduce the friction involved here, to help your immersion.

But a few embrace the clunkiness and make it a gameplay mechanic.

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There are some lucky circumstances where this is true, but most such accommodations are not like that. Usually some trade-off must be made, in cost or in functionality. For example, with those same cut curbs, we now need to put a bumpy panel to allow blind and visually impaired people to feel the transition from curb to street, but these make the cut much worse for anything with wheels.

Any more example where it needs to be a tradeoff? I've been very skeptical about the concept since first hearing it. Seems too good to be true.

Frankly it's harder to come up with examples where it's actually just a Pareto improvement that was undiscovered until considering accessibility. This isn't to say that this is not worthwhile anyway to make tradeoffs but claiming that tradeoffs don't exist is just magical thinking.

Some obvious examples (even ignoring higher cost, since they are all also higher cost):

* Coloring for colorblind people is worse for people with normal vision.

* Large format type is cumbersome for people with normal vision.

* Traffic signals that are long enough for the elderly to cross cost everyone time every time they are used.

* Stalls in bathrooms suitable for disabled people means fewer stalls can fit.

* Ramps for wheelchairs require way more space than stairs and take much longer to traverse.

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't do these things.

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