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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by AlbertCory »

Hizonner wrote: post #91
phs318u wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're attacking a straw man. Where governments do well is establishing a regulatory framework. They don't deliver the clean water. They (should) ensure that the water that's delivered meets a standard.

In every single city I've ever lived in or paid attention to, the water system has been directly operated by employees of the municipal government, not private companies and not even contractors. And the regional projects they buy from tend to be pure government, too. Oh, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization#Prevalence But, hey, never let facts interfere with your deeply held religious beliefs, eh?

you're the only one talking about water.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by mateus1 »

m3kw9 wrote: post #119
snowwrestler wrote: post #52

Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.

Also ironic people jumping to attack Altman from every negative article about him without knowing all the details and the contexts

That is not a correct use of ironic.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by fastball »

akozak wrote: post #88
Aunche wrote: post #75

I think there is a very good chance this is true, but it also paints the picture of the board being incompetent and incapable of confrontation. They could have filed formal complaints, mandated increased scrutiny, handed off Sam's responsibilities to other people, or threatened legal action. Instead, they attempted a secret coup, which of course makes Sam look like the underdog

I've seen the "coup" framing a lot I just don't see how that's justified. They're the board of directors! Hiring and firing the CEO is core to the job (as is maintaining mission alignment, in the nonprofit world).

I think the "coup" framing is supported at least by Helen Toner's claims in this article.

> "We were very careful, very deliberate about who we told, which was essentially almost no one in advance, other than obviously our legal team and so that's kind of what took us to to November 17."

If that doesn't sound like a secret coup, I don't know what does. Like, yes, it is their job to hire and fire the CEO so it's not really a coup, but when you do your "job" in secret instead of in the open that's the vibe you give off.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by bayareabadboy »

qp11 wrote: post #59
snowwrestler wrote: post #52

Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.

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This is very silly. The world has solved this and it’s markets. Before, mindlessly ambition people would take over countries and start wars.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by 1024core »

> As staff threatened to quit and speculation swirled that Microsoft may poach Altman's team from OpenAI and hire him directly, the company's board brought back Altman as CEO less than a week later.

To me, this is an important part of the story too, which Toner doesn't go into. I wonder why?

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by mr_toad »

navigate8310 wrote: post #63
snowwrestler wrote: post #52

Kind of ironic that people are jumping in here to defend Sam Altman on the message board of Y Combinator, which also fired him from an executive leadership role for similar reasons.

Believe it or not sama actually delivered something believable and actionable to the general masses while being the CEO of OAI while others all they did was to either lecture or publish papers.

He delivered it to Microsoft. Nothing Open about OpenAI.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by AlbertCory »

stubish wrote: post #90
AlbertCory wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Nobody except governments (plural) has the authority to regulate things. If you think regulation is required, there is no choice except governments to do it. Industries can only regulate themselves if given the power to do so by a government. Otherwise it is just a cartel agreeing to not push to hard under threat of actual regulation (and when one party thinks they can push harder, it falls apart). As a real example,…

> fully autonomous weapons

those would be a matter of an international treaty, like chemical weapons and land mines. None of that is covered in Schumer's $32 billion.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

threeseed wrote: post #99
xyzzy4747 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like he outsmarted them and they were holding back the organization.

This is the attitude of a rebellious child instead of a professional. Boards serve a vital fiduciary duty to ensure good corporate governance. They do not exist to hold back the organisation and are not there to be outsmarted.

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Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by jacknews »

So we now have a lying psychopath in charge of the most advanced AI, and no safety team to blow a whistle.

I don't think legal restrictions on AI or AI research are plausible, but perhaps we should have some licensing and psychological, ethical requirements for people owning and directing AI development.

Re: Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

drewbug01 wrote: post #109
xyzzy4747 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like he outsmarted them and they were holding back the organization.

Lying to the board, if true, is radically unethical. If you equate lying with “outsmarting,” that’s rather concerning.

What if you realize that the board is wrong?
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