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Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by thisislife2 »

rkuska wrote: post #22
capl wrote: post #2

Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

That’s actually a nice side effect of all the *rumors pages. The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products. I keep on using my previous products while saving money and planet and being excited about what future holds.

> The rumors of future products keep me of buying the current products.

You may have heard of the 5-minute rule - "Will doing this take me less than 5 minutes? If the answer is yes, do it now." An adaption of that to reduce impulse purchases is - "Do I really need this product right now? If the answer is no, don't buy it."

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by cjk2 »

alwillis wrote: post #122
capl wrote: post #2

Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

For those with MacBook Pro FOMO, do not read about the rumored foldable 18.8-inch screen MacBook Pro running on the M5 coming in 2026 [1]. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/23/18-8-inch-foldable-macb...

Kill me with a blunt spoon before I take on a foldable touch screen.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by hajile »

dragonelite wrote: post #34
ko27 wrote: post #23

It seems that M4 was overhyped. Almost of all of the performance improvements, in Geekbench for example, comes from new instructions that most apps won't use, and even if they do they might end up using the faster GPU/NPU for those tasks. https://twitter.com/toniievych/status/1788596920627118248

Makes one wonder has the apple miracle mostly been first the transition to ARM and having access to TSMC highest end nodes before the rest even comes into the picture. But im glad new competition is coming from qualcomm x elite and Huawei with their Kirin and Ascends chips. Hopefully ARMsrace will be more interesting to follow than the x64 race between intel and AMD.

Oryon was designed to compete with M1 then the clockspeeds were ramped up to compete with M2. M3 clearly beat it out and M4 has only furthered that lead.

Oryon will still probably beat x86 designs massively in performance per watt which is pretty much the most important metric for most people anyway (as most people use laptops).

EDIT: your username `dragonelite` is quite interesting. You joined 2019, but the coincidence is fascinating.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by Tagbert »

nolongerthere wrote: post #97
ruined wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And apparently Apple is okay with procrastinating and cannibalizing current sales of M1, 2, 3 if it helps prevent some Snapdragon (or Ampere) sales. sales of what i actually can't think of a single competing product. admittedly i don't keep up with laptop news but still, i haven't heard of anything yet that can meaningfully compete with the m1 from four years ago

Microsoft just announced some lackluster arm laptops that they claim can compete with M-series chips. The question is what windows programs are gonna run on them...

Some people have been running Windows 11 for Arm on a VM in Apple Silicon. It has an automatic transcoder that translates most x86 code at start. It seems to run many apps well. Microsoft claims these new machines have a better transcoder. This might work.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by philjohn »

etempleton wrote: post #89
gtirloni wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides maybe battery life (which is a huge win), anything you'd benefit from the M's? I only had a 2008 macbook so I'm curious.

Battery life is insanely better. If you have not used one of the M series laptops it cannot be overstated how much better the battery life is. It is worth it for battery alone. But beyond that they are also incredibly fast and run cool. In the MacBook Air there is no fan and on the Pros they barely ever spin up in an audible way.

The fans literally never come on for my personal M2 MBP 14" or on my work 16" M1 (it helps that the heavy lifting of running stuff and compiling happens on a dev server)

During work from home during Covid I was still using an Intel MBP and video conferences invariably caused the fans to kick up to the point where using noise cancelling headphones and not the built in speakers was necessary for sanity.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by solardev »

JulianWasTaken wrote: post #130
alwillis wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those with MacBook Pro FOMO, do not read about the rumored foldable 18.8-inch screen MacBook Pro running on the M5 coming in 2026 [1]. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/23/18-8-inch-foldable-macb...

Without anything but a skim, surely there is no way a MB Pro ships with a virtual keyboard, that is pure torture.

Maybe it uses the camera for gesture recognition so you can air-write each letter one at a time? Air-quotes will be fun... air-tabs, not so much. "Space, but BIGGER!"

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by yumraj »

alwillis wrote: post #122
capl wrote: post #2

Hmm, I was thinking of buying an M3 Pro 16” this summer, but maybe I should wait then

For those with MacBook Pro FOMO, do not read about the rumored foldable 18.8-inch screen MacBook Pro running on the M5 coming in 2026 [1]. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/05/23/18-8-inch-foldable-macb...

The rumored price is enough to make me not worry about those.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by skavi »

hajile wrote: post #123
ribit wrote: post #29

They have not adopted ARMv9. This is still ARMv8, but with SME.

ARMv9.0 is very similar to ARMv8.5 (9.0 supersets 8.5 with SVE2, TME, TLA, and CCA), so it's not a massive deal. SME implies v8.7 which is basically identical to v9.2 except for those couple extensions previously mentioned. I wonder if there is licensing at play though. Apple may have gotten a really great licensing deal on ARMv8 that they wouldn't be offered for ARMv9.

Does anyone have insight into why arm CPU vendors seem so hesitant about implementing SVE2? ~They seem~ *Apple seems to have no issue with SSVE2 or SME.

Edit: Only Apple has implemented SSVE and SME I think.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by pasc1878 »

Hamuko wrote: post #111
phkahler wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> So binary sizes are going to double? If you're already supporting 2 arch it will only increase by 50 percent to support a 3rd ;-)

The most impressive I've seen has been four-arch support in a single bundle: PowerPC, 32-bit x86, 64-bit x86 and ARM64.

Openstep had as a default 4 hppa, sparc, i386 and m68k - I often built stuff on a HP for production use on Intel and 68000 boxes and I think they also had unreleased m88k as well at the same time so internally might have had five way binaries.

Re: Apple's M4 has reportedly adopted the ARMv9 architecture

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Post by nothercastle »

capl wrote: post #4
Waterluvian wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple’s tempo is so regular that this has been a problem my entire adult life. I’ll buy a little later. I’ll buy a little later!

Hehe yeah, same when I think about it… I guess best thing to do is buy on launch and update every 2-5 years.

That’s a good strategy with most things that aren’t prone to mfg variability . For cars having a launch version there are a lot of initial manufacturing defects that need to be worked out.
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