Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The most talented person in the world

matt.sh

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 155 posts

Re: The most talented person in the world

#131

Post by boesboes »

zandrew wrote: post #109
sebtron wrote: post #106

> The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction. I really hope we do not give up the internet's freedom as they suggest (and I doubt this would solve the spam problem).

Agree, as much as we hate AI-generated content, what’s to say that the content isn’t helpful to some in some instances? Also, as long as search engines do their job, engagement on high quality pieces will always justify having a human write art

Can you think of a single example how AI generated blogspam can be useful? I cannot. It's all just noise and bullshit.

> as long as search engines do their job

lolololololol, funniest thing i've read all day.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#132

Post by mvkel »

qiqitori wrote: post #94
mvkel wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the results for that exact search in Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=what+was+the+last+non+cellul... vs 4o: The last non-cellular Windows Mobile Classic PDA was the HP iPAQ 110 Classic. Released in 2008, it ran on Windows Mobile 6.0 Classic and featured a 624-MHz Marvell PXA310 processor, 256MB of Flash ROM, and a 3.5-inch screen with a 240 x 320 resolution. It included Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivi…

What about the HP iPAQ 112 then? Wasn't the HP iPAQ 110 Classic released in November 2007? Also why are you entering questions into the Google search prompt?

Because the commenter implied that LLMs get it wrong, as if search engines get it right. The reality is that both take digging, but the LLM response gets you to the right answer more quickly.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#133

Post by berniedurfee »

sebtron wrote: post #106

> The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction. I really hope we do not give up the internet's freedom as they suggest (and I doubt this would solve the spam problem).

I think it’s the only way forward. I wrote a blog post about this recently.

I think abandoning anonymity is the only way forward and I think it’ll be glorious.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#134

Post by yowzadave »

Uehreka wrote: post #110
frabjoused wrote: post #30

Has anyone built a search engine that uses LLMs to pre-grade every page with metrics such as: - Commercial bias (content compared to the source, which it learns about) - Insincere motives - Bloat (how many words it takes to say how little to penalize SEO bloat) I would assume that using LLMs, we can get a pretty good idea of what is SEO bloat and who the bad actors are by this point, and just penalize those results.

What makes you think that LLMs will be better at combating spam than they are at creating it? There’s no universal rule that innovations in AI will go hand in hand with innovations in detecting AI, yet I feel like I see people talking all the time like that’s the case. As of right now, LLMs are prolific but unreliable, which makes them extremely well suited for generating spam, but unsuited to detecting it without a…

I honestly don’t mind so much if it detects “ai-generated” vs. “human-generated”—the key thing to detect is whether the page is full of irrelevant SEO junk. GP suggested several attributes that ought to be detectable. Even if we don't eliminate the AI content, but succeed in promoting "better" content, maybe it's an improvement?

Re: The most talented person in the world

#135

Post by wildrhythms »

brabel wrote: post #105
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #100

Time to go back to Yahoo! search engine with manually added and verified links. Automated web crawling experiment has failed. Anyway, whatever I search, I end up in either reddit or wikipedia (incidentally, both are human-curated stores of knowledge).

I don't know about Wikipedia, but Reddit is full of bots. They're sophisticated enough you may not recognize some comments are not from a human though. That's worse than when it was always obvious.

Not just Reddit; Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, (basically every social media)... full of bots posting and replying to each other. Dead Internet Theory.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#137

Post by sverona »

berniedurfee wrote: post #133
sebtron wrote: post #106

> The only future of the internet is, sadly, proof-of-person and proof-of-residence on every public network interaction. I really hope we do not give up the internet's freedom as they suggest (and I doubt this would solve the spam problem).

I think it’s the only way forward. I wrote a blog post about this recently. I think abandoning anonymity is the only way forward and I think it’ll be glorious.

I read said blog post. The future you dream of would require, at minimum, vastly improved privacy laws and freedom of identity.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#138

Post by Aromasin »

brabel wrote: post #104
parpfish wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use email constantly but I can’t tell you the last time I saw actual spam in my inbox Sure, there are occasional unwanted marketing emails but those are easily dispatched with unsubscribe and/or inbox filters

Depends on your provider. My GMail is fine, but my much older Hotmail is a spam cesspool. It's so bad I barely check it anymore the last couple of years, despite having been able to keep that email address since something like 1996. As I had "exposed" that to some email farms I probably got into some really bad spammers lists which Microsoft seems unable to stop.

I gave up on my Hotmail completely quite recently for the same reason. It seemed to just stop filtering altogether. I'd recieve somewhere on the order of 50 spam emails to my main inbox a day. If anything, it filtered more email I did want than those I didn't. I haven't had the same issue with gmail.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#139

Post by geekraver »

WithinReason wrote: post #112
Uehreka wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think that LLMs will be better at combating spam than they are at creating it? There’s no universal rule that innovations in AI will go hand in hand with innovations in detecting AI, yet I feel like I see people talking all the time like that’s the case. As of right now, LLMs are prolific but unreliable, which makes them extremely well suited for generating spam, but unsuited to detecting it without a…

Classification is easier than generation

Not with standard LLM models. Generating garbage is easier; deciding that it’s garbage much more difficult. This is an inherent problem with “prompt optimizers” like DSPy.

Re: The most talented person in the world

#140

Post by phillias »

Who are you protecting? Those who would be duped by it? Are you trying to get rid of salesman? Responding to a dark market with authoritative measures means you're trying to protect suckers. You can't stop people from being victimized. An evolutionary response is the only solution. A graceful decline of suckers is the solution. Do not try to protect them, they will only hate you for it.
Post reply on HN