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Re: Veo

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Post by aidenn0 »

ryandrake wrote: post #77
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very noticeable. Watching movies from the 1970s is positively serene for me, vs the shot time on modern films often leaves me wonder, "wait, what just happened there?" And I'm someone who is fine playing fast action video games. Can't imagine what it's like if you're older or have sensory processing issues.

Obligatory: Liam Neeson jumps over a fence in 6 seconds, with 14 cuts[1]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKhktcbfQM

I'd like to fact check this amazing comment on that video, but it would require watching Taken 3:

> Some of y'all may find how awful this editing gets pretty interesting: I did an Average Shot Length (ASL) for many movies for a recent project, and just to illustrate bad overediting in action movies, I looked at Taken 3 (2014) in its extended cut.

> The longest shot in the movie is the last shot, an aerial shot of a pier at sunset ending the movie as the end credits start rolling over them. It clocks in at a runtime of 41 seconds and is, BY FAR, the longest shot in the movie.

> The next longest is a helicopter establishing shot of the daughter's college after the "action scene" there a little over an hour in, at 5 seconds.

> Otherwise, the ASL for Taken 3 (minus the end credits/opening logos), which has a runtime of 1:49:40, 4,561 shots in all (!!!), is 1.38 SECONDS . For comparison, Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) (minus end credits/opening logos) is 3:50:59, with 3163 shots overall, giving it an ASL of 4.40 seconds, and this movie, at 1 hour 50 minutes, has north of 4,561 for an ASL of 1.38 seconds?!?! Taken 3 has more shots in it than Zack Snyder's Justice League, a movie more than double its length...

> To further illustrate how ridiculous this editing gets, the ASL for Taken 3's non-action scenes is 2.27 seconds. To reiterate, this is the non-action scenes. The "slow scenes." The character stuff. Dialogue scenes. The stuff where any other movie would know to slow down. 2.27 SECONDS For comparison, Mad Max: Fury Road (minus end credits/opening logos) has a runtime of 1:51:58, with 2646 shots overall, for an ASL of 2.54 seconds. TAKEN 3'S "SLOW SCENES" ARE EDITED MORE AGGRESSIVELY THAN MAD MAX: FURY ROAD!

> And Taken 3's action scenes? Their ASL is 0.68 seconds!

> If it weren't for the sound people on the movie, Taken 3 wouldn't be an "action movie". It'd be abstract art.

Re: Veo

#132

Post by data-ottawa »

ein0p wrote: post #72
popcar2 wrote: post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

Also Sora demos had some really impressive generations featuring _people_. Here we hardly see any people which likely means exactly what you’d guess.

Has Gemini started generated impacted of people again? My trial has ended and I haven’t been following the issue.

Re: Veo

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Post by dyauspitr »

InfiniteVortex wrote: post #44
Keyframe wrote: post #38

Kind of sucks to be google. Even they're making good progress here, and have laid the foundations of a lot if not most things.. their products are, well there aren't any noteworthy compared to rest. And considering google is sitting on top of one of the largest if not THE largest video database, along with maps, traffic, search, internet.zip, usenet, vast computing resources vertically integrated.. they have the whol…

Google search has been absolutely ruined in terms of quality. You're right, they've built the base in terms of R&D for many of the AI breakthroughs thats powering competing alternative products.... that happen to be better than Google's own products. Google went from "Don't be evil" to just another big corporate tech company. They have so much potential. Regrettable.

If anything google search with the Gemini area on the top has been very good for me.

Re: Veo

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Post by darby_eight »

esafak wrote: post #116
barbariangrunge wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube’s endgame is to not need content creators in the loop any more. The algorithm will just create everything

The endgame of that is that people will leave.

I'm somewhat surprised people still watch YouTube with the horrible recommendations and non-stop spam

Re: Veo

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Post by theresistor »

Difwif wrote: post #85
skepticATX wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI hardly released gpt-4o. The demo yesterday was clearly a rushed response to I/O. It’s quite possible that Google will ship multi-modality features faster than OpenAI will.

What do you mean? Everyone has access to the gpt-4o model right now through ChatGPT and the API. Sure we don't have voice-to-voice but we have a lot more than what Google has promised.

It is not available on my (free) account in either the app or the website. So no, everyone does not have access to it.

Re: Veo

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Post by khazhoux »

criddell wrote: post #102
lolinder wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Laser-focused on the bottom line at the expense of all else" is not how I'd describe Google, now or at any point in the past. They have a lot of dysfunction, but if anything that dysfunction stems from too much experimentation and autonomy at the leaf nodes of the organization. That's how they get into these crazy places where they have to pick between 5 chat apps or whatever. If Google were as focused on ads as you…

I'd describe Google as focused on the bottom line after they put the ads guy in charge of search. I'm referring to this article that was posted here recently: https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

The person now in charge of Search is Elizabeth Hamon Reid, a long-time googler who came up through the ranks from engineer (in Google Maps) to VP over 20 years. She's legit.

Re: Veo

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Post by jprete »

axblount wrote: post #48

I hate to be so cynical, but I'm dreading the inevitable flood of AI generated video spam. We really are about this close to infinite jest. Imagine TikTok's algorithm with on demand video generation to suit your exact tastes. It may erase the social aspect, but for many users I doubt that would matter too much. "Lurking" into oblivion.

At the bottom of the text blurb on the Veo page: "In the future, we’ll also bring some of Veo’s capabilities to YouTube Shorts and other products."

So...you're not cynical, it's an explicit product goal.

Re: Veo

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Post by dyauspitr »

mccraveiro wrote: post #22

They didn't show any human videos, which could indicate that the technology struggles with generating them.

You know why and it’s not that their technology struggles with it.

Re: Veo

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Post by hbn »

theresistor wrote: post #130
hbn wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do I get access? I just checked my app and the Premium upgrade says it will unlocked GPT-3.5 and GPT-4, so I assume my version is still the old one. All my apps are updated in the App Store too.

To add a counterbalance, I just checked in the app and on the website on a non-paid account, and I too do NOT have GPT-4o.

Everyone who says they have access in the replies to my comment seem to be paid users. So maybe it's only rolling out to them first.

Re: Veo

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Post by Koffiepoeder »

khazhoux wrote: post #70
atleastoptimal wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they punish experimentation as it eats into their bottom line. AI is a tool for ads in the mind of executives at Google. Ads and monetization of human productivity, not an agent of productivity on its own.

C'mon, Google doesn't "punish" experimentation. Google X, Google Glass, Daydream, Fuschia, moonshots, the lab spinoff (whose name I can't remember)... hell, even all the abandoned products everyone here always complains about. The experiments often/usually fail, but they do experiment.

If you prune all the branches, where will the fruits grow?
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