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Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

lucumo wrote: post #74
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but then also take it further. They originate from modern society & it's need to cater to sensitivities. And that's a sentiment that's in general pretty well supported here. It's the likes of Elon, hated here, that are the one's fighting this. LLM's censorship is a symptom of a much wider problem. For instance we see it partially causing lots of mental anxiety: the world should bent to my anxiety instead of lear…

> It's the likes of Elon, hated here, that are the one's fighting this. There's a difference between LLMs and X that makes it defensible to have different moderation strategies for both. A spammer using an LLM to write their little Vialis commercial isn't bothering anybody. A spammer posting their little Vialis commercial on X is an obnoxious cunt.

I mean of course there is a difference. But what they are doing is not anti-spam. It's anti everything sensitive. And if you can't see the connection with the PC crowd you're blind.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by exe34 »

throwaway11460 wrote: post #126
exe34 wrote: post #123

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tell that to the school teacher from Birmingham that is in hiding because they showed a cartoon to children. I'm sure they're real happy about justice.

What they are experiencing is terrible but still doesn't compare to actual censorship. I'm sure they still appreciate that the state didn't put them in prison and ban their children from education and employment except the hardest, most hazardous jobs where it is actually expected it will kill you sooner than later. State sanctioned violence hits very differently - the power disparity is unbearable and nothing you do…

once again you're conflating censorship and retaliation. the censorship is still the same in both cases: unless you want to live the rest of your life in hiding and looking over your shoulder, you can't draw/share certain cartoons purely because it offends certain individuals.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by exe34 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #128
exe34 wrote: post #124

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what evidence would convince you that the comparison is apt?

I know that such evidence does not exist, but if it were, a detailed comparison based on it would deserve a scientific degree. Neither a single corporation nor entire big tech considered together as a single actor can really compare with the scale and diversity of censorship of a totalitarian state.

now try all the corporations together.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by lucumo »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #131
lucumo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the likes of Elon, hated here, that are the one's fighting this. There's a difference between LLMs and X that makes it defensible to have different moderation strategies for both. A spammer using an LLM to write their little Vialis commercial isn't bothering anybody. A spammer posting their little Vialis commercial on X is an obnoxious cunt.

I mean of course there is a difference. But what they are doing is not anti-spam. It's anti everything sensitive. And if you can't see the connection with the PC crowd you're blind.

It's the same for sensitive stuff.

ISIS/Nazis using an LLM to write their pathetic propaganda aren't bothering anybody.

ISIS/Nazis posting their pathetic propaganda on X are obnoxious cunts.

> you're blind.

NO U

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #68
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #62

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You have to search really hard to find a bigger crybaby than Elon Musk around though. It's why he bought Twitter: to create a safe space for himself, where he can surround himself with all his favorite opinions (his own).

Hahah the hate runs deep

https://www.engadget.com/x-now-treats-the-term-cisgender-as-...

cisgender is now a slur according to Elon Musk lmao. He really is the biggest snowflake of them all.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #122
iLoveOncall wrote: post #19

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In the example above, Claude's crawler is on a whooping 0.0008 TPS, not exactly a DDOS attack. I'm not against blocking Claude for the reason you outline (or all LLM crawlers for that matter), but it's not exactly an "aggressive crawl rate".

On my server with 70 sites with about 100.000.000 unique pages I saw 60 urls per second regularly. Not even Googlebot hammers my server at that rate.

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Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by iLoveOncall »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #122
iLoveOncall wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the example above, Claude's crawler is on a whooping 0.0008 TPS, not exactly a DDOS attack. I'm not against blocking Claude for the reason you outline (or all LLM crawlers for that matter), but it's not exactly an "aggressive crawl rate".

On my server with 70 sites with about 100.000.000 unique pages I saw 60 urls per second regularly. Not even Googlebot hammers my server at that rate.

That's 0.00006% of all your pages per second. Even if it's sustained it really isn't much at all.

At this rate sustained it would take more than 20 days to crawl all the pages.

Again, this is really not painting the picture you want it to paint.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #135
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahah the hate runs deep

https://www.engadget.com/x-now-treats-the-term-cisgender-as-... cisgender is now a slur according to Elon Musk lmao. He really is the biggest snowflake of them all.

Well the biggest is exagerated, but he def. has a sensitive side :).

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by exe34 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #129
exe34 wrote: post #118

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the chilling effect is the same.

In the countries with free speech the effect is not chilling at all. Do you remember “Je suis Charlie”?

do you remember how they changed their profile pictures to include a transparent french flag? do you also remember how the majority didn't share the actual cartoons that were used to justify the attacks? if the virtue signallers did, the social media companies would have censored it. if the virtue signallers did and the social media companies didn't censor it, there would have been additional riots and the companies would have been banned in ~20 countries.

Re: Claude is now available in Europe

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Post by exe34 »

throwaway11460 wrote: post #47
exe34 wrote: post #27

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> my father who was banned from schools or to my grandfather who was in prison We have those in the west today.

Where in the west? Certainly not anywhere in EU. In the US... Could you send me some examples please?

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/university-exeter-...
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