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Re: Linux When?

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Post by jodrellblank »

spudlyo wrote: post #118
jodrellblank wrote: post #92

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"multiplayer notepad" goes back 15 years at least - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... it was used back with a popular website which opened a text document and anyone viewing could type, but I can't remember the name. That became a thing in Google Docs, Microsoft Office, Floobits, and lots of self-hosted and cloned sites.

You may be thinking of Hackpad from 2014, which later was bought by Dropbox and morphed into Dropbox Paper. I guess I was thinking that a multiuser IDE is substantially different than a multiuser text editor. I did notice that Zed is by the same team that brought us tree-sitter, which is a wonderful innovation that many text editors are now using to good effect. I was wondering if were powerful enough for one person…

Earlier than that; I wanted to say EditPad but that's not it. I found it; EtherPad in 2008 is the one I was thinking of, but the history of collaborative editing apparently goes back to Doug Englebart's Mother of All Demos in 1968:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etherpad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor...

Re: Linux When?

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Post by jethro_tell »

teo_zero wrote: post #103
jethro_tell wrote: post #71

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Honest question. What could you possibly do with a text editor at 120 fps that you can't do at 15 or 30? I can't think or type that fast and I can't read scroll back that fast either so I can't wrap my head around needing something like that.

Smoother scrolling?

I mean, yeah that's pretty smooth, I'm not even sure I could notice it past 15/30.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by jethro_tell »

ajross wrote: post #79
jethro_tell wrote: post #71

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Honest question. What could you possibly do with a text editor at 120 fps that you can't do at 15 or 30? I can't think or type that fast and I can't read scroll back that fast either so I can't wrap my head around needing something like that.

> Honest question. What could you possibly do with a text editor at 120 fps that you can't do at 15 or 30? More-honest-than-it-should-be answer: sell a product to Apple-ecosystem developers trying desperately to find something to justify the $3k they want to spend on a new MBP. (Typing this very comment in emacs running out of the Linux VM on a mid-range chromebook attached to a 30 Hz 4k television, btw. Come at me,…

Heh, rocking a self built tmux/vim setup her myself, but even still I don't think I'm so cynical to think the only reason is for the marketing speak.

I assume they have a reason, I just can't guess whatnot is.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by ajross »

jethro_tell wrote: post #133
ajross wrote: post #79

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> Honest question. What could you possibly do with a text editor at 120 fps that you can't do at 15 or 30? More-honest-than-it-should-be answer: sell a product to Apple-ecosystem developers trying desperately to find something to justify the $3k they want to spend on a new MBP. (Typing this very comment in emacs running out of the Linux VM on a mid-range chromebook attached to a 30 Hz 4k television, btw. Come at me,…

Heh, rocking a self built tmux/vim setup her myself, but even still I don't think I'm so cynical to think the only reason is for the marketing speak. I assume they have a reason, I just can't guess whatnot is.

I'm... absolutely that cynical. 120 Hz displays and the horsepower to drive them are the golden boutique speaker wire of the Gen Z tech set.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by myaccountonhn »

vetrom wrote: post #61
myaccountonhn wrote: post #47

I really appreciate how Zed tries to tailor make and ensure their app looks and feels native on Linux. One thing that scares me with it though is the lock in of the multiplayer features. I can see it forcing me to use it and not my preferred editor, because other people use Zed. Would love it if we were not only platform independent but also editor independent regardless of social pressure.

I am generally wary of anything that proposes to monetize the process of doing my core work. I recognize that that attitude makes marketing and selling a product to developers difficult, though. If they changed from a CLA to a DCO I'd feel less uneasy about it, but but is that something their investors and business can permit?

What I do is donate monthly to the projects I like.

I'd happily pay a fixed one-time fee for them though.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by infamouscow »

JoelMcCracken wrote: post #11
melodyogonna wrote: post #5

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People on the internet expect everything to be spoonfed to them.

Kinda wild to me that people who frequent a website that bills itself as a site for news for "hackers" show such a nil-level of ability to comprehend anything themselves.

This website allows extremely vituperative people to make their points without being banned as long as they follow the rules. My account being the primary example.

That this website is littered with retarded morons that cannot handle the slightest bit of pure direct argumentation is more a function of the times, where heavy-handed moderation fills in for massive gaps in their vacuous perspective, which in any other situation completely undermines one's understanding of the world outside a pseudo-intellectual bubble.

The moderates here do better than any other online, IMO. And I say that knowing the moderators here do not unflag some of my comments because it's ideologically inconvenient to them personally.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ajross wrote: post #134
jethro_tell wrote: post #133

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Heh, rocking a self built tmux/vim setup her myself, but even still I don't think I'm so cynical to think the only reason is for the marketing speak. I assume they have a reason, I just can't guess whatnot is.

I'm... absolutely that cynical. 120 Hz displays and the horsepower to drive them are the golden boutique speaker wire of the Gen Z tech set.

Oh come on. Fancy wires do nothing. 120Hz makes motion much smoother. It also reduces latency. Those make a big difference in many video games, or even just moving my mouse around and having it not skip two inches at a time.

Your cynicism over 120Hz should match your cynicism over 4k.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by cpuguy83 »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #122
cpuguy83 wrote: post #106

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Sorry no. Vulkan literally did not exist. That's not obfuscation. It didn't even exist. Had Apple adopted Mantle then where would they be now? Apple did what they do, took ownership of their own stack.

"Sorry no" whatever. Khronos was discussing what to do with Mantle as it became Vulkan. Apple was part of those industry players who were invited to the table. Apple left and did their own thing, like Apple does. These specs don't spring up fully formed. Vulkan was a collaboration long before it was named as such and released; Approaching Zero Driver Overhead/bindless was 100% clear writing on the wall for a while by…

Apple _shipped_ Metal in 2014. Kronos started their work in 2014 and wasn't even named as such until 2015. The full spec wasn't released until 2016.

Re: Linux When?

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Post by aorth »

This looks rad. An amazing engineering effort for such a niche problem. As a Linux user who writes code, I'm excited, but I can't help wondering: what is the business model of Zed Industries?
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