Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries • Hacker News Board

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by twixfel » Sun, May 05, 2024, 12:55 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #123

Caligatio wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-games/helldivers-2-... Do I need a PSN account to play PlayStation games on PC? No, you currently do not need a PSN account to enjoy PlayStation Studios games on PC, but you will need a Steam account to redeem your voucher code. Some of our PlayStation Studios titles also offer incentives for linking your Steam and PSN accounts.

Irrelevant - the product page says otherwise and the game itself was explicit in telling you that a PSN account is required on launch.

How is it irrelevant if it's coming from Sony itself?

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by izzydata » Sun, May 05, 2024, 12:56 PM UTC

sigmoid10 wrote: post #4

This really sucks for some people, but the true impact may be overreported and is definitely blown out of proportion by the review bombing. While all this is hugely controversial on reddit, if you look at steam charts, the player count did not take any obvious hit. In fact it follows the natural trend after every content release. So at least on steam the delisting seems to have affected almost no active players. It's…

Negative reviews for the legitimate grievance that you can no longer play the game you purchased is not review bombing. It is reviewing.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by pawelduda » Sun, May 05, 2024, 12:57 PM UTC

resource_waste wrote: post #92

bravetraveler wrote: post #20

When I saw marketing material that looked like a carbon copy of Destiny I knew what to expect The game that plays you, too

Modern video games are scary like that. They arent designed for your fun necessarily, but rather addictive mechanism that keep you coming back. Obviously dopamine from slot machine mechanisms and winning. Oxytocin from online gaming... These companies know how to make addiction.

I bought it to play with friends and haven't found it as addictive compared to other titles I got sucked into in the past . If anything, there is no pay-to-win and the gameplay doesn't change a lot as you progress. It's just a fun co-op with very spectacular chaotic clashes - social media notifications have more to do with slot machines than this game's ever been close to.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by rezonant » Sun, May 05, 2024, 12:59 PM UTC

There's so much coverage of this from the gamer crowd that entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game and how Sony couldn't handle it. To be fair, when they had problems and added a Skip button, they should have made it more clear that a PSN account would be required in the future, but given the willful ignorance of the facts by the sensationalist reports, I don't know that it would've mattered.

Seems more like the gaming community was looking for a reason to be pissed off than this being an actual issue. I wouldn't be surprised if this was being stoked by the same folks trying to create antisemitic conspiracies about diversity consultants (check out NeverKnowsBest's Gamergate 2.0 video for context, https://youtu.be/CGmESJM6BFQ?si=RsfLWiewo7uXZY8r )

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by izzydata » Sun, May 05, 2024, 1:00 PM UTC

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #87

On Steam: If there's little yellow boxes in the right hand column, someone somewhere is reserving the right to ruin your day in some way. Helldivers 2 has three of them: DRM, Third party account, and third party EULA. Best avoid games with little yellow boxes, especially if you prefer just playing games vs legal drama. (And of course gog.com doesn't have any little yellow boxes)

If Helldivers 2 was on GOG it would still require a PSN account.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by haunter » Sun, May 05, 2024, 1:01 PM UTC

rezonant wrote: post #134

There's so much coverage of this from the gamer crowd that entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game and how Sony couldn't handle it. To be fair, when they had problems and added a Skip button, they should have made it more clear that a PSN account would be required in the future, but given the willful ignorance of the facts by the…

>entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game

They shouldn't have sold the game on Steam in countries where PSN is not available.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by bsagdiyev » Sun, May 05, 2024, 1:01 PM UTC

apt-get wrote: post #13

kstenerud wrote: post #7

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This Japanese stereotyping would be a little more credible if Sony Entertainment's headquarters hadn't moved to California years ago...

When I worked at SIE in San Diego the culture was still there, and very much so. Location does not matter.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by sumeno » Sun, May 05, 2024, 1:01 PM UTC

_heimdall wrote: post #78

sunaurus wrote: post #16

I've always found it ridiculous that Sony is allowed to sell their consoles and games in my county without allowing me to create a PSN account. They even sell the digital PS5, which REQUIRES a PSN account to get any games. And then, even if you break their TOS and create an account in another country, you're still constantly inconvenienced - you can't pay for games using your local payment method, for example, and a…

> IMO they should either provide the same level of service in all countries, or be forced to charge significantly less when selling their hardware in unsupported countries. Who would force the price change though? It seems more reasonable for anyone in a country that doesn't have access to PSN just wouldn't bother buying a PS5 regardless if the price.

I bet a lot of people don't know they can't create a PSN account until after they buy it

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by Zvez » Sun, May 05, 2024, 1:05 PM UTC

haunter wrote: post #136

rezonant wrote: post #134

There's so much coverage of this from the gamer crowd that entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game and how Sony couldn't handle it. To be fair, when they had problems and added a Skip button, they should have made it more clear that a PSN account would be required in the future, but given the willful ignorance of the facts by the…

>entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game They shouldn't have sold the game on Steam in countries where PSN is not available.

>They shouldn't have sold the games on Steam in countries where PSN is not available

yep, as simple as that this would have made the situation much better. Game would have gotten lower scores and player base overall. Doing it now and like this leaves the feeling, that they got enough money from sales and now they want to bring some traffic to psn

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Post by rezonant » Sun, May 05, 2024, 1:06 PM UTC

haunter wrote: post #136

rezonant wrote: post #134

There's so much coverage of this from the gamer crowd that entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game and how Sony couldn't handle it. To be fair, when they had problems and added a Skip button, they should have made it more clear that a PSN account would be required in the future, but given the willful ignorance of the facts by the…

>entirely ignores that a PSN account was required from the beginning but waived because of the unexpected popularity of the game They shouldn't have sold the game on Steam in countries where PSN is not available.

Yes this is a puzzling part of the story, for sure. The handling of the situation overall is pretty poor (also for instance the community management response was pretty stupid)