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Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by gamepsys »

lawn wrote: post #45
BossingAround wrote: post #2

Personally, I found the perfect keyboard in Ergodox [0][1]. Ortholinear, split, programmable (and open-source) keyboard with hot-swappable switches. I've had my Ergodox EZ [2] for ~7 years now. The biggest problem that happened was that some of the switches started malfunctioning - fixing which was a matter of literally 5 minutes. I don't think I would want to go back to non-split, non-ortholinear keyboards nowadays.…

The problem with Ergodox (and Moonlander) are the horrific thumb cluster that only makes sense if you have very large hands/fingers.

I personally find the two large buttons in the thumb clusters to be easy to access. I don't think the entire thumb cluster is designed to be used commonly while touch typing. There are plenty of pinky reachable buttons you can map needed keys to.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by gamepsys »

gwbas1c wrote: post #100

I really want a portable full size keyboard: IE, a full size keyboard that comes with a protective case so it's easier to put in a bag. Perhaps the keyboard can break into two pieces so it's easier to fit in a smaller bag?

It's probably simplest to just build a case for your favorite keyboard.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by neves »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #12
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #6

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I've been wondering for a while now why these fractional keyboards are so popular. It's some sort of trendy faux-minimalism that I've never been able to wrap my head around.

For me, I just have an external num pad. I was finding I was getting elbow pain by having to cock my arm a bit to use my mouse.

TKL keyboard for the win

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by PurpleRamen »

derefr wrote: post #109
PurpleRamen wrote: post #55

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They are small and thus take less space on the desk, or in your bag (perfect for traveling and on-site-work). And not all keys are necessary for everyone. Numpad is a big part with little use for many people. And the newer generation of keyboards is often programmable, so you can remap them on very sophisticated levels on the keyboard itself. This reduces the demand for more keys even more. For example, on my keyboar…

> For example, on my keyboard I have no dedicated cursor-keys, but they are mapped to hjkl and wasd with a thumb-key. That sounds so bizarre to me, as so many keychords I use every minute of every day involve modifiers plus arrow keys.

I have capslock mapped to ESC&CTRL, so my pinky is also around the important modifiers. And because of vim and gaming, hjkl & wsad are habitual for me anyway.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by [deleted] »

mmh0000 wrote: post #4

I really do not like these compressed baby keyboards that are missing essential keys. My perfect keyboard would be something like a 150% with standard full layout but then adding in a bunch of programmable macro keys, I want more than F12! I want F1 through F36. Also a built in coffee grinder, water heater, and there should be a fan under the keys to keep my hands cool. Okay, ignore those last three.

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Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by ivanjermakov »

zubairshaik wrote: post #35
BossingAround wrote: post #2

Personally, I found the perfect keyboard in Ergodox [0][1]. Ortholinear, split, programmable (and open-source) keyboard with hot-swappable switches. I've had my Ergodox EZ [2] for ~7 years now. The biggest problem that happened was that some of the switches started malfunctioning - fixing which was a matter of literally 5 minutes. I don't think I would want to go back to non-split, non-ortholinear keyboards nowadays.…

> I don't think I would want to go back to non-split, non-ortholinear keyboards nowadays. Same for me but even further, after using the Glove80[0] I don't want to go back to non-colstag, non-keywell keyboards. [0] https://www.moergo.com/pages/glove80-ergonomic-keyboard-desi...

I'm afraid to try keywell keyboards since that would drastically limit layout options.

For a split column-stagger kb I can just order a PCB, MCUs, switches, keycaps and after minor soldering it's ready to go.

With concave boards you need a case of non-trivial design.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by vincent-manis »

bregma wrote: post #47
orphea wrote: post #41

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How do you guys not miss F keys? I can press e.g. Ctrl+F5 with one hand but I would have to use both hands to press Ctrl+Fn+5.

The only F keys I use are F11 and F12, and only by accident when I'm trying to backspace. And don't get me started on the capslock key.

I love the Caps Lock key, because I remap it to Compose.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by criddell »

luke-stanley wrote: post #127
criddell wrote: post #15

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I might be wrong, but in this case I think the 75% refers to the layout, not the physical size of the keys. https://www.keyboard.university/100-courses/keyboard-sizes-l...

Oh okay, I guess I want 65% then in terms of the keys it has! Thanks.

Those exist!

I googled 65% bluetooth keyboard and this is the first result:

https://www.cherryamericas.com/mx-lp-2-1-compact-wireless

No idea if it's any good or not.

In my experience, only Logitech seems to have figured out decent battery life in wireless keyboards. Even with the lighting effects turned off, most mechanical keyboards have terrible battery life (often less than a week).

My gripe is that there are lots and lots of great small keyboards out there being made by hobbyists and small companies, but none of them offer scissor switch options! I'd really like something closer to a modern Apple laptop keyboard. I've been using a Lenovo Trackpoint II which is close, but I don't really like it.

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

luqtas wrote: post #98
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #39

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I always feel the first thing I would do with a split keyboard is 3D print a baseplate to keep the two halves aligned. Which.might.just.work.

good move... but some rubber like pad at the table make them 99,9% fixed! and dust marks your ideal position that MAY is changed/adjusted slightly after some time spend with the keyboard

Thanks for the input, appreciated!

Re: 00Key a 75% Keyboard

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Post by karlshea »

GuB-42 wrote: post #75
karlshea wrote: post #9

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75% is basically everything except the numpad, so if one isn't a big numpad user it's nice to have your mouse a bit closer.

75% is not exactly this. It mangles the home cluster (pgup, pgdn, home, end, insert, del), often missing "insert" entirely. It also relocates the arrow keys slightly. If you just want a keyboard without a numpad, it is called TenKeyLess (TKL) or 80%. For me, it matters. I use the home cluster a lot, including the insert key (for copy and pasting), and because I use many different keyboards (for work, etc...), muscle…

My comment was more to push back on the silly assertion that the only reason someone would like a fractional board is "trendy faux-minimalism".

I have a TKL on my PC and other than Insert (which I can't remember ever pressing on purpose in the last 15 years) the only other keys a 75% is missing are the cluster with print screen/scroll lock/break.

I'd be annoyed by a 75% if I used Insert for copy/paste etc and switched keyboards all the time, but I'm mostly on Mac so I'm used to Cmd+arrows instead of Home/End and Cmd+C/X/V. But it does have the extra strip on the right for some of those keys I do use, like Del. And now I can now hit every key on the board without really moving my hands much, including those that are normally on the Home cluster.

I could even do with a 65% but I don't want to have to switch layers to hit Esc, and actually do use the function keys for an IDE.

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