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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by rsynnott »

kevingadd wrote: post #5

I'm genuinely surprised by this. I figured the differences between tablets and phones, combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point. If the shared app store is part of the problem I wonder if that makes it a liability for any new apple ecosystem to tie into the App Store, like Vision OS for example.

> combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point

I mean, regulators aren't stupid; just because Apple rebranded iOS on iPads to 'iPadOS' a few years ago, presumably seeing the writing on the wall, you shouldn't expect the EC to go "oh, well, the company we're regulating _says_ it's a different thing, so it must be a different thing".

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by josefx »

gareim wrote: post #59
josefx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs exact words where: "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way." Which is arguably worse, since all of Apples official statements on that case contained that bit of intentional gaslighting at the beginning. The iPhone 4 did not just have "sensitive areas", it completely exposed the antenna, causing it to short circuit from normal use.

Curious definition of "exact". > Gripping any mobile phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or si…

The sentence I cited is from an Ars Technica article and directly attributed to Jobs. Your text is essentially an extended version of that, but I cannot find any site that attributes it directly to Jobs. It also does double down on the gaslighting by insisting that it isn't bad design but "a fact of life" and consistent with any other mobile phone.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

pjerem wrote: post #113
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #72

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It will probably happen at some point. In 1990, the EU was easy to do business in and represented 25% of world GDP. Now it’s exceeding difficult to do business in and represents just 14% of world GDP. If those two trends continue, there will be a point where it’s just not worth it for large companies to be threatened with fines on their “global turnover”.

You know that EU also have computers engineers ? It’s not like we couldn’t survive without Apple or Google. Probably nobody wants it to happen but if it were to happen, well, I prefer regulated companies than monopolies.

Yeah, I think that’s the likely direction, similar to the path China took in the aughts. There will probably eventually be some reasonably large EU-based social networks and maybe even operating systems.

I don’t think that will save you from monopolies, though. Network effects are strong.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by lupusreal »

massysett wrote: post #124
beretguy wrote: post #13

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Why are you defending having less ownership over devices that you own? It’s like your employer wants to give you a salary increase but you complain and say you don’t want more money.

Because I should have that choice. Government should not make this decision for me. If it’s important to me that I have devices I fully own, I should seek that out. If I like the products and prices that result from walled-garden business models, I should be able to choose them.

You will have the choice of installing or not installing the software you wish. The "choice" as you're describing it is a symptom of Stockholm Syndrome.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by rsynnott »

riffraff wrote: post #20
Moldoteck wrote: post #12

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Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

I 100% think this is the case, my guess as to why they're not targeted yet is just that they're less visible to regulators. I'd like to know if there's another explanation.

Last year, 7.4 million games consoles were sold in Europe. And 57 million iPhones (as far as I can see they don't report numbers on iPads). Like, I think it's fairly obvious why they concentrated on iOS first.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by draugadrotten »

pjerem wrote: post #113
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will probably happen at some point. In 1990, the EU was easy to do business in and represented 25% of world GDP. Now it’s exceeding difficult to do business in and represents just 14% of world GDP. If those two trends continue, there will be a point where it’s just not worth it for large companies to be threatened with fines on their “global turnover”.

You know that EU also have computers engineers ? It’s not like we couldn’t survive without Apple or Google. Probably nobody wants it to happen but if it were to happen, well, I prefer regulated companies than monopolies.

> You know that EU also have computers engineers ? It’s not like we couldn’t survive without Apple or Google.

You vastly underestimate how interconnected and dependent the modern tech stack is. EU computer engineers would be thrown back to 1950s if they could not depend on decades of US engineering and services.

I say that as a European.

EU is clearly playing a losing game here and is well on track of becoming the world's largest outdoor museum.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by rsynnott »

threeseed wrote: post #7
kvdveer wrote: post #6

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Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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I mean, I think they're just not buying Apple's claim that iOS on the phone and iOS on the iPad are different things. If they _were_ to accept this, it would be a slippery slope - coming soon: iOS Smol for the smaller phones. It's totally different, we promise.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by jbjohns »

beretguy wrote: post #13
threeseed wrote: post #7

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Why are you defending having less ownership over devices that you own? It’s like your employer wants to give you a salary increase but you complain and say you don’t want more money.

Why are you presenting something that happened as entirely one sided? This move means the end of an enforced, curated walled garden for iOS. This will mean a race to the bottom for iPad apps. Which, of course, means even more ads (since everything must be paid for one way or another). It likely means iPad prices go up even more because now they're forced to support configurations they've never tested.

For me personally, all of the above is the cost and what I get is something I wasn't using and didn't miss (if I want to install things outside the walled garden, I use a my Mac not a mobile device).

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by justinclift »

pantulis wrote: post #97
justinclift wrote: post #86

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> I believe Maybe give it some time to see how things shake out, before tying yourself to strong "beliefs" up front?

It's fair: beliefs are like that, you have them before seeing how things shake out.

> beliefs are like that

Not really a common approach with the people I know.

People can make educated guesses ahead of facts. That's pretty standard.

But having strong "beliefs" without evidence just means there's no real basis for the "belief". And that makes it just an irrational feeling or wish-for-it-to-be-true for whatever reason.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by lupusreal »

lynx23 wrote: post #53
callalex wrote: post #19

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Can you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?

Barring temptation, the "feature" will hopefully not directly affect me. But since I am not an egoist, I tend to also think about other people...

Personally I think other people should be welded into their homes to protect them from all the dangers they might face outside. If they opened their doors they would be subjected to all manner of hazards and risks like crime or being hit by a bus, and I'm not an egoist so.. weld them in!
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