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Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

makeitdouble wrote: post #102
glp1guide wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey don't worry, your fears are mostly unfounded -- GLP1 Receptor Agonists have been an effective treatment method for type 2 diabetes for a very long time. They're well studied, researched and trialed, at this point, and many side effects are known. I'm a bit biased of course (I do a lot of trying to keep up with the research and effects of GLP1 drugs), but I honestly don't think the weight loss scene has seen somet…

Isn't the worry that Ozempic is only "effective and save" as far as all the other weight loss drugs being utter predatory bullshit ? Last time I looked into it the "loss" is only happening while taking the medication and you get back to normal once you stop, regardless of how long you’ve been taking it. So if stabilizing at a thinner state is your goal, the drug would be mostly useless or you should be ready to take…

The medication suppresses appetite, so one wouldn't expect it to continue working when it isn't being taken. It's a treatment, after all, not a cure.

What it can do is help one "bootstrap" into healthy habits. Someone who is sufficiently overweight might suffer injuries from exercising, which makes it difficult to lose that weight. Someone who's drank a soda every morning for decades might break the habit if they stop for long enough.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by glp1guide »

pixl97 wrote: post #126
makeitdouble wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the worry that Ozempic is only "effective and save" as far as all the other weight loss drugs being utter predatory bullshit ? Last time I looked into it the "loss" is only happening while taking the medication and you get back to normal once you stop, regardless of how long you’ve been taking it. So if stabilizing at a thinner state is your goal, the drug would be mostly useless or you should be ready to take…

I mean come up with a pill that changes your eating habits and doesn't just repress them. Don't think anyone's got close to that yet. In the meantime overweight people are going to take what they can get.

> I mean come up with a pill that changes your eating habits and doesn't just repress them. Don't think anyone's got close to that yet.

So GLP1 gene therapy (if it ever gets here) might be the most reasonable way to achieve this, and might be the safest we've ever seen so far outside of maybe brain control.

> In the meantime overweight people are going to take what they can get.

100%. And AFAIK GLP1s are some of the safest we've seen so far, and much more effective than "eat less and move more" (as true as that may be).

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by abruzzi »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #60

When I took Ozempic I had these side effects: * Low libido and erectile dysfunction * Constipation, diarrhea, and extreme bloating (burping all night long) * Often difficulty sleeping. Waking up a lot. Very restless. We need a drug that doesn't slow digestion but decreases hunger and increases satiety.

> We need a drug that doesn't slow digestion but decreases hunger and increases satiety.

This is exactly what it does for me. The only side effect I have is a little bit of occasional acid reflux.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by rblatz »

red_trumpet wrote: post #105
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82

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> Why would the price come down before they can supply current demand? Because in exchange they could unlock a bulk order from e.g. the U.S. government. That in turn could unlock economies of scale that let them price competitors out of the market.

Don't they have a patent which makes competition non-existent for the near future?

There are numerous compounding pharmacies selling generic ozempic (Semaglutide)

There is competition, I see ads on Facebook and Instagram for it all the time, there are clinics all over where I live advertising Semaglutide treatment for weight loss.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by makeitdouble »

pixl97 wrote: post #126
makeitdouble wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the worry that Ozempic is only "effective and save" as far as all the other weight loss drugs being utter predatory bullshit ? Last time I looked into it the "loss" is only happening while taking the medication and you get back to normal once you stop, regardless of how long you’ve been taking it. So if stabilizing at a thinner state is your goal, the drug would be mostly useless or you should be ready to take…

I mean come up with a pill that changes your eating habits and doesn't just repress them. Don't think anyone's got close to that yet. In the meantime overweight people are going to take what they can get.

Tobacco did that (imagine going for nicotine patches instead of smoking), meth did that, a lot of things do that. It all comes down to the side effects and whether it's worth having the drug around.

Up until now we say "no, fuck it" after a few decades of having the thing widely available. My point is wether we should shortcut the cycle and so no _before_ doing the society wide trial and having to fight for decades to have it stop.

> In the meantime overweight people are going to take what they can

Most don't take anything right now

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by DeepPhilosopher »

jakub_g wrote: post #15

Re: "mounting concern" about the profits of processed food & tobacco companies, here you are also the 2018 classic of the genre: > Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patie...

what is wrong with some people?

Way for Goldman Sachs to say the quiet part out loud. Not curing people so you can sell them something that merely deals with the problem's effects. This shouldn't even be up for discussion.

Seems like one company is selling the cure to a problem another company (companies) caused. Not to be all "capitalism bad" but I thought promise of the Invisible Hand of the Market was that it was supposed to make life better by directly solving everyone's problems. Instead, it seems to be creating more and (as Goldman Sachs admitted) not even trying solving those.

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by pseudalopex »

makeitdouble wrote: post #102
glp1guide wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey don't worry, your fears are mostly unfounded -- GLP1 Receptor Agonists have been an effective treatment method for type 2 diabetes for a very long time. They're well studied, researched and trialed, at this point, and many side effects are known. I'm a bit biased of course (I do a lot of trying to keep up with the research and effects of GLP1 drugs), but I honestly don't think the weight loss scene has seen somet…

Isn't the worry that Ozempic is only "effective and save" as far as all the other weight loss drugs being utter predatory bullshit ? Last time I looked into it the "loss" is only happening while taking the medication and you get back to normal once you stop, regardless of how long you’ve been taking it. So if stabilizing at a thinner state is your goal, the drug would be mostly useless or you should be ready to take…

Why quotation marks around loss?

Why does it feel like recommending meth? Are they similar in addiction and harmful effects?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by voisin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #122
voisin wrote: post #114

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Do you see the US government wanting to disrupt these industries, many of which are political donors?

> Do you see the US government wanting to disrupt these industries, many of which are political donors? When the one being disrupted is a European pharma? Yes.

The article is about disrupting big tobacco, candy companies, etc. being disrupted by a European pharma. Why would the US gov’t make a massive order to bring down costs to disrupt homegrown companies?

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by copx »

spirit557 wrote: post #36
akgoel wrote: post #7

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When I was on Ozempic, I just didn't want the milkshake. It rewires all reward centers.

You cant take these drugs forever afaik. Do they have permanent effects? It's just absurd to me the world has come to the point that we need these drugs in the first place but it makes total sense when you look at America for example. Awash in hyperpalatable processed "food" and corrupt food guidelines, a medical industry that "manages" chronic metabolic preventable disease but never cures it when probably 99% of cas…

>It's just absurd to me the world has come to the point that we need these drugs

I agree. People did not need these drugs in the past but instead of fixing the social and economic structures which caused the obesity epidemic we tell people to take drugs to manage.

Oh, and take Adderall so you can focus. Again, nobody needed this in the past.

And Xanax to manage the anxiety people did not use to have either.

Feel unhappy and alone? They will make a pill for that too.

"Brave New World" turned out to be even more prophetic than "1984".

Re: Ozempic will disrupt big tobacco, candy companies, and alcohol brands

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Post by Fredej »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120
voisin wrote: post #116

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Both Ozempic and Wegovy are manufactured by Novo Nordisk. That’s not competition. It is market segmentation as they are marketed for different uses.

Oh, didn’t know that. Doesn’t Eli Lilly have a competitor?

They do. It's called Mounjaro.
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