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It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?
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These sophisticated operations look like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Feedlot-1.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Confined-animal-feed... I assure you, wild birds are around.
Those are not dairy farms. Those are where cattle are fattened up just before slaughter. Very different situation. Cattle farms also take biosecurity seriously, but so far they have not worried about birds. Diary cows are kept inside and isolated from everything else since if the cow is sick you have to treat it and dump all milk obtained for a month afterwards.
("The cows never get to see the sun" doesn't really sell me on factory farming, either.)
Side note: The second photo is noted as a dairy on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming#Concerns.
It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?
Air travel is a bigger spread of disease, should we ban air travel?
Let's keep livestock in poor conditions and give them antibiotics to survive, then complain about the consequences
You might be thinking about beef cattle which are treated different from dairy cows. Though even then antibiotics can only be given with a vet prescription. (a change as of several years ago)
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We waste like 1/3rd of the food and half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh
> half of the planet is overweight/obese, I think we could slow down a bit tbh I don't think half of the planet is overweight or obese due to meat consumption. If anything, take away the meat (or make it more expensive) and it'd probably lead to even more obesity.
It's crazy to see people denying that (meat) factory farming is a problem. You'd expect most of the public of this website to be rationalists in one way or another. Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of course we can thrive with less meat consumption or none. How is that even a question?
>> Of course factory farming is an aggravating factor for the spread of diseases. Of some diseases. It also prevents other diseases. Isolating animal species, specifically separating their waste, prevents cross-contamination. Google the stories of people getting parasites from lettuce grown on a "small organic farm" downhill from the pig sty. Want to eat raw lettuce and undercooked steak without getting sick? Those p…
Outbreaks of E. coli, listeria, giardia, etc. are common in factory farmed bagged lettuce. Dole certainly isn't some small artisan operation; https://www.cdc.gov/listeria/outbreaks/packaged-salad-mix-12...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/16/ecoli-str...
"'There are more and more people wanting products like triple-washed bagged lettuce, but bagged salad is a great vector for E.coli growth,' he said. 'And farms have expanded closer and closer to animal feedlots and dairies, and these are now more prone to flooding.'"
Farm workers pooping in the fields because they're not allowed to walk 15 minutes to a port-a-potty doesn't help, either. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB888948983807436500
> And I still prefer my meat very well done, burned, because that's how meat must be cooked in parts of the world that don't have western-style factory farming.
That's more likely to speak to a lack of food safety regulation in the supply chain, from farm to slaughterhouse to store to table. It's entirely possible to properly process an artisanly raised organic cow in a way that avoids spreading E. coli all over it.
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You're going to have to provide some sources if you'll be making such bold claims ...
I'll bite. I'm currently carrying a bottle of whole milk home from the shop to have a glass. It has 15g of protein per 500ml, a ton of calcium and 350ish calories. Super nutritious.
That's also 1/3 of your saturated fat in a single glass.
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You say you expect most people on this website to be rationalist and then you also say that you expect most people on this website to be rationalist.
It’s not perfect, but HackerNews seems to have one of the most intelligent pool of users I’ve had the pleasure of interacting with. It’s not perfect, of course, but the discourse on a HackerNews thread is light years ahead of what you’ll find on Reddit.
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You're going to have to provide some sources if you'll be making such bold claims ...
I'll bite. I'm currently carrying a bottle of whole milk home from the shop to have a glass. It has 15g of protein per 500ml, a ton of calcium and 350ish calories. Super nutritious.
It has 18g of protein per 480ml, 60mg of calcium, and 200 calories. (Also 2.4mg of iron and 860mg of potassium)
The only ingredients are water and soybeans.