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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by bee_rider »

doublepg23 wrote: post #101
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

> so DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array of music offered (within the theme of the station). I'm an older Zoomer and this was never the case for radio in my lifetime [1]. I heard "college radio stations" being a bastion of this but I've never listened to one myself. One of the earliest internet services I remember loving was Pandora because it recommended me artists I never heard on the radio an…

I recently switched off Amazon Music and went back to Pandora (must have started using it in like 2010 and then gone on a 13 or so year long diversion into the on-demand streaming services).

I guess it isn’t surprising because it is their core value proposition, but the Pandora discovery algorithm seems so much better than the competition, at least to my ears.

I miss the ability to hyper-focus and play an album over and over, but on the other hand, it is probably better not to burn out on an album, and anyway, if I really want to, I can buy the album I guess.

Pandora + Bandcamp reminds me of what the internet looked like it could be. Sad that Amazon and their ilk have to silo everything.

Last.fm was pretty good too. I wonder how they are holding up…

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by bigthymer »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #106

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

I think we have the same taste from the 2000s on. If you had to recommend one artist\track I probably haven't heard of yet, which would it be?

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by tptacek »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

I don't know about the Spotify analysis here, but certainly cosign RateYourMusic, which I just learned about this last weekend and am now a little bit obsessed with. It's like IMDB crossed with Pinboard, and the list of new stuff I have to listen to now is long and intricately connected to what I already listen to. It's a pretty amazing resource, even if everyone there is wrong about Uncle Tupelo's "Anodyne".

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by office_drone »

meowtimemania wrote: post #119
office_drone wrote: post #18

> This study identifies 33 as the tipping point for sonic stagnation, an age where artistic taste calcifies, increasingly deviating from contemporary works In the time since I turned 33 I've experienced an almost-complete switchover in genre preference, from pop/rock/light metal to country. Almost all of it has been found through Spotify's Daily Mix N, where n >= 2.

Are spotify daily mixes ordered in some way?

As best I can figure #1 is your 'guaranteed hits' - songs that you have listened to the most. As you go higher it may be your most-loved music of a different genre or the 1st genre again but with more new-to-you music.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by cchi_co »

bigirondba wrote: post #23

I’m not convinced that we stop finding new music, we just become less zealous or outward about it as we get older. When I was young, I was all about talking music, having the right DJ list for roadtrips, etc, etc and now? I just hit play and don’t think too much about it. Probably because it’s harder to attend shows, less relevant to my social life, etc. I’ve also found as I’ve gotten older that I just care less abou…

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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by StuffMaster »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #118
doublepg23 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array of music offered (within the theme of the station). I'm an older Zoomer and this was never the case for radio in my lifetime [1]. I heard "college radio stations" being a bastion of this but I've never listened to one myself. One of the earliest internet services I remember loving was Pandora because it recommended me artists I never heard on the radio an…

Late Gen-X/Early Millennial here; there was a time before the consolidation of radio stations and invasion of iHeartMedia (at the time named Clear Channel) where DJs had the final word in what got played and most were quite good at introducing new music. Here's my experience form the outside of the industry: once consolidation started there was a push to use canned (pre-recorded) intros, outros, and interstitial anno…

Yep. I recall this happening. Let's all praise DEREGULATION and the dollars it brought us.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by qzx_pierri »

Kiro wrote: post #111
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

> This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists Source? This is what Spotify says about it themselves: "We want to make something crystal clear: no one can pay to be added to one of Spotify’s editorial playlists." https://community.spotify.com/t5/FAQs/How-to-get-your-music-... Sure, they could be lying but then all the labels and their employees would need to be in on the lie as well.

This is the same defense used in radio. Note the wording ... "no one can pay". Favors and indirect payment are used excessively in the music industry. Note that I also said that payola was the act of "direct payment".

An example of indirect payment in radio would be the record label gifting a set of expensive tickets to the station.

Remember those contests in the 2000s where the radio station would play a collection of songs over the course of a few hours, and if you could call in and be caller number 15 and name all the songs, you could win free concert tickets?

The record label didn't pay the radio station with money - The tickets were gifted to the station for free. But as a result, the radio station played [insert band name]'s songs for 2 hours straight (and possibly other artists on the same label).

This is a win-win, because a ton of people talk about this contest with their family and friends, so the station gets free promo, and the artist gets exposure.

I don't know how Spotify is doing this in the digital era, but ask anyone connected to the music industry. This 100% happens.

For a lot of casual listeners, Spotify editorial playlists are the new radio station.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by grujicd »

082349872349872 wrote: post #72
havblue wrote: post #32

It doesn't seem like the article makes much of a distinction between newly released music and music that you haven't listened to yet. Personally, as I get older I've lost the ability to listen to the same Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc albums for the 100th time. I cringe every time I hear the opening of Don't Stop Believing. So I've kept trying to get deeper into prog and other genres lately as I'm just burnt out on th…

> Pink Floyd etc albums for the 100th time If you can risk a 101st time, have you tried "Dark Side of the Moonshine" (2009) yet?

I really like Roger Waters recently released Dark Side of the Moon Redux.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by dimask »

kristopolous wrote: post #30

I've got a rather wonky way of doing this. https://github.com/kristopolous/music-explorer I've been building systems to find new music for 18 years or so. This latest one I've been using since early 2020. It's really for just me so sorry if the documentation is a little scattered. I'm certainly doing some minor ToS violations all over the place with this thing so I don't want it to get too popular but I'll be happy t…

Thank you for sharing this! Looking forward to try it, seems like an interesting idea. My strategy on bandcamp is conceptually similar, albeit manually.
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