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A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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There are bike locks that do mostly defeat angle grinders. They are not cheap, of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpVOTEOMRuE https://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Evolution-Integrated-Chain...

I don't know why you would link a video instead of saying the sentence "chain locks are hard to cut with an angle grinder because the chains are hard to hold steady"

I forgot to add that clarification, thanks.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals. The laser in the article took 30 seconds to cut a a tiny disc out of a sheet of steel 100 micrometers thick. That isn’t going to change things on the theft front. There are much more effective methods available today.

The battery powered angle grinder was the end of useful bike locks AFAIK.

Ref: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxyaFf379g&t=1m4s

Tl;dr if your lock doesn't double-lock (both sides) and have a cut-resistant core, it's only stopping people who can't afford a Ryobi angle grinder

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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Not cheaply, which was part of the OP's post.

Yes, for relatively cheaply. I’m not talking about a 5-axis CNC mill, and I’m not saying it’ll be fast. But a laser cutter is not fast either, and even if lasers get more powerful… a really powerful one is unlikely to be “cheap”.

Of course it depends on what you're doing, and what you're comparing to, but in my experience, laser cutting is the fastest option for hobby-level fabrication.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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A society in which "the average car-buyer" has a tiny portable steel-melting laser is a society where I'm wearing welding goggles every time I leave the house. And I'm not sure how you even lock a bike or a door or a safe any more.

There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals. The laser in the article took 30 seconds to cut a a tiny disc out of a sheet of steel 100 micrometers thick. That isn’t going to change things on the theft front. There are much more effective methods available today.

> There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals.

Yeah, I'm currently waiting on parts to replace my door handle. As far as I can tell, the would-be thieves snapped off the handle to make an opening, and used that to cut/snap the rear part of the lock (which normally can't turn because of the lock cylinder) and then substituted in a screwdriver to convince the car that the lock had turned.

Thankfully--and puzzlingly--they were unprepared for the steering-wheel lock and only managed to mangle and bend it (probably with a small bolt-cutter) before they gave up or were spooked off.

'Course, after that they would have still been unable to start the car for other reasons, but it still saved me the cost of fixing a torn-up ignition.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals. The laser in the article took 30 seconds to cut a a tiny disc out of a sheet of steel 100 micrometers thick. That isn’t going to change things on the theft front. There are much more effective methods available today.

The quality of locks has always been measured in time.

When you get down to it, most security measures are ultimately based around creating enough delay that someone can respond with violence.

P.S.: Trying to think of the rare examples that don't qualify, and so far:

1. Direct violent response, e.g. booby-traps.

2. Denial by destroying whatever the attacker wanted, or delaying them enough that time renders it valueless.

3. Denial by making the effort unprofitable, even with no hard time limits.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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The article rightly points out the industrial impact of more powerful and compact lasers but I cannot wait for those PCSELs to reach the small workshop market. Having a cheap laser able to cut metal at home / small shops would be so useful (And sneakily dangerous as lasers are).

Given how quickly dangerous these compact lasers can be, I think I'd rather stick with the handheld plasma cutter.

The quality of the cuts out of a plasma cutter are not great. I always have to spend some time cleaning them up after the fact. I'd hope laser cut parts are much better.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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post #136

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Given how quickly dangerous these compact lasers can be, I think I'd rather stick with the handheld plasma cutter.

The quality of the cuts out of a plasma cutter are not great. I always have to spend some time cleaning them up after the fact. I'd hope laser cut parts are much better.

Given large scale laser cuts I've seen - they require less cleanup, but still some. You spatter molten metal everywhere.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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The article rightly points out the industrial impact of more powerful and compact lasers but I cannot wait for those PCSELs to reach the small workshop market. Having a cheap laser able to cut metal at home / small shops would be so useful (And sneakily dangerous as lasers are).

>> (And sneakily dangerous as lasers are) These seem safer. With a wide emission area and focusing lens, a reflected beam will weaken with distance.

Indeed, I feel less worried about my 50w solid state laser cutting head from China than I would a 5w laser pointer, as the 50w laser head has a 5mm focal distance and the head has a 50mm square housing, so it mostly obscures what it is lasing and it defocuses quickly.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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post #136

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The quality of the cuts out of a plasma cutter are not great. I always have to spend some time cleaning them up after the fact. I'd hope laser cut parts are much better.

Given large scale laser cuts I've seen - they require less cleanup, but still some. You spatter molten metal everywhere.

I have a CNC plasma cutter which I use for making robots, and have also worked with laser cut metal. The laser cutter is so, so much more precise. On the plasma I cut some gear teeth with 5mm pitch and they’re okay for a coarse positioning system that doesn’t rotate continuously. On a laser you could cleanly cut 1mm pitch gears for continuous rotation I would think.

Re: A tiny ultrabright laser that can melt steel

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Honestly I'm kinda surprised there aren't handheld laser engraving devices made for quick and permanent graffiti.

There are abundant portable galvo head lasers out there. A lot of them targeting the hobby market, but also more powerful ones (that are less cheap) meant for marking or engraving parts in situ. Everlast now has a laser welder, too. I think it’s only a matter of time before we get cheaper cutter in the 1kw range.

And cheaper DMLS printers [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxzFzbi0wF4

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