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The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Post by eastbound »

forty wrote: post #47
eastbound wrote: post #34

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By focussing on immigration, you missed the main point. I’ll simplify as: French people eat the rich.

It's very possible to be very rich in France. It's not the result of random luck that both the richest man and the richest woman in the world were french not that long ago (Bernard Arnaud and Liliane Bettencourt). You should not buy the right wing discourse that in France rich people are too taxed and they flee blabla. This is just a way to push their right wing agenda. I'm myself quite rich and I'm doing well, so do…

I’m saying the opposite of “migrants are bad”. I’m saying the French culture is not pro-business (it’s generally about bullying the locally-richer, as a proxy for the real elites, which is misguided), and the best thing about French culture is that you can create a company here and hire none of them, which is what the top comment said.

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Post by BlueTemplar »

decide1000 wrote: post #127
BlueTemplar wrote: post #105

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It's nice, but there's probably nothing new there for your typical HN reader (unless if they're young I guess ?) It's also dangerously focused on Microsoft and complacent with "cloud" software. Google has already been winning their wrestling match over desktop computing for some time now, they shouldn't be helped. And with shittier software as a result. Also while using "Microsoft sounds" in the music is cute, I can'…

It is focused on Microsoft because it is about the relationship between states and the European Commission with Microsoft. They show that Microsoft does not follow the same procedures like 'normal' tenders. Also MS employees have .gov email addresses and the states are not allowed to show how much money they pay M$. It is not biased against Microsoft. It is about Microsoft based on journalism and decent research.

We are in full agreement there, but my issue with this documentary remains.

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Post by hulitu »

ratg13 wrote: post #63
troupo wrote: post #41

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> Europe's legal structure is unsupportive and hinders software development on the scale of an Apple or a Microsoft. Until they fix that You're phrasing it in a way that makes this scale seem like a good thing. Is it? I'm not convinced that the scale of supranational grow-at-all-costs uncontrollable corporations is good

The complaint that because Europe doesn’t support monopolies as well as America that makes them “behind” is likely the silliest argument I will read today. Yet, here it is the top comment. It reflects strongly on the American audience here.

> The complaint that because Europe doesn’t support monopolies as well as America

Depends how much they pay.

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Post by hulitu »

oezi wrote: post #73
fulafel wrote: post #11

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The convenience and business sense argument could make sense if the value of a communication platform was small and close to its cost. But it's not. Similarly as it doesn't make business sense to rent the cheapest or easiest to lease office exactly because a good office to your company is more valuable than its cost. People hate Teams/Office because it's so low quality, effecting a large drag on communication. It's a…

People don't hate Teams. It is competitive enough against Zoom and Google Meet (which is the worst of the three) for people to use it for video conferencing. As a slack competitor Teams is arguably worse, but for people who haven't used Slack the difference is hard to justify switching.

> People don't hate Teams.

Yes, hate is a soft word in this case. We despise it, we wish its creators burned in hell together with the management who chose it.

Teams is the opposite of engineering, is the bully boy around the corner.

To call Teams a shit, means giving it consistence, which it doesn't have.

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Post by hulitu »

the_cramer wrote: post #32
moooo99 wrote: post #28

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> People hate Office? I don't think I've seen any significant hate for Microsoft Office They absolutely do. Many people hate the office suite in its entirety, lots of people hate some program in particular (I particularly despise Word). Most people are indifferent and have accepted that $Program is what they are using in $Job

This is worthy of some sources, no? People on HN, technology professionals, might hate office. But we're not majority and I've never seen researched/polled numbers about hating office...

Maybe go in an office and ask ?

Re: The Microsoft-Dilemma – Europe as a Software Colony – Full Documentary

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Post by hulitu »

kaliszad wrote: post #89
longhornjs wrote: post #70

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The EU has compelled companies to switch to Microsoft — yes, you read that correctly. The EU introduced the GDPR law, which significantly increased the complexity of using third-party services. To minimize this complexity, companies found it more straightforward to consolidate their services with Microsoft, as it facilitates easier compliance with EU GDPR regulations. Once again, we can thank the EU for pressuring co…

That seems like checkbox-compliance theater. Also doesn't seem to be supported by official findings. There are notions that actually you cannot be fully GDPR compliant with Microsoft 365. [0] Therefore state organizations sometimes do migrate to different offerings. [1] [0] https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/pre... [1] https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/04/germanys_northernmost...

This is "checkbox-compliance theater".

>Therefore state organizations sometimes do migrate to different offerings

And then come back to Mother Microsoft. See Munich.

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Post by roenxi »

raverbashing wrote: post #20
Barrin92 wrote: post #15

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>Europe's legal structure is unsupportive and hinders software development on the scale of an Apple or a Microsoft Nah, what hinders software development at that scale is literally just... scale and network effects. Europe has a significantly better legal infrastructure than Russia or China (which routinely kills entire sectors for random reasons) but Europe is not a homogenous isolated market of hundreds of millions…

> Looking at it another way, what's the American competition for Microsoft? Yeah this is another point that people seem to forget We're talking about 2 or 3 cities in the US that punch way above their level. But we don't hear too often how there isn't a competitive cloud made in Boston or where's the FB competitor from Minnesota etc

There are roughly two perspectives on that.

"Gee, these industrial clusters are super rare and delicate! We have to make the conditions as favourable for them as possible"..

"This company is making lots of money but I disagree how they are doing it! We should force them to behave in a way that is more in line with how everyone else does things. All these big companies are the same and the wealth isn't going to go anywhere".

Europe puts a barriers in place that will kill off an entrepreneur's dream here or there. They only have to kill one or two key companies to do trillions of dollars of self-harm (which is what they appear to have done). In fact, everyone does this just to a greater or lesser degree; for example we can see how much prosperity China's manufacturing created with less blockers than in the USA leading to a few key industrial clusters.

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