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Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by FredPret »

bootlooped wrote: post #107
FredPret wrote: post #91

Playing fast and loose with "major"

Very unfortunate, but true. Opera was the first browser I remember using besides Internet Explorer, and the amount of features it had compared to IE was a total game changer. I want to say Firefox was just called "Mozilla" back then and used a dinosaur logo. Eventually I switched to Firefox for quite a long time, but I'll always remember Opera fondly.

I remember the dinosaur mozilla logo. I also remember Opera Mini compressing (and probably spying) the crap out of my traffic. It really made my student-budget third world early-2000’s phone plan go further than two jpeg’s.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by asadotzler »

Spivak wrote: post #24
Eriks wrote: post #13

Browsers are for browsing internet. So many of them are now turning into bloatware..

This hasn't been true since before IE6. ActiveX, Flash, Silverlight, and beyond started the path of browser's being generic application hosts.

Nah, it was XHR which predates all of those plugins. ActiveX never went anywhere. Flash was good for FB games and YouTube video until browsers absorbed multimedia and animation. Silverlight was DOA in browsers. It was really IE's XHR (adopted by Mozilla in 2000) and then Mozilla's Dom Inspector and JS debuggers that started us down that path more than any of those plugins.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by asadotzler »

112233 wrote: post #12
29athrowaway wrote: post #10

Opera was the reason CSS exists.

Yeah. Anyone knows how much of that opera is left over in the current opera?

None. The board got rid of JSvT in 2011 I think and Haakon bailed in 2016 and today it's just a Blink skin owned by the Chinese.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by fragmede »

methuselah_in wrote: post #108
Rinzler89 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Opera has been bundling in a mail client, rss reader, calendar app etc for ages now. Opera has been bundling stuff like that, even a BitTorrent client, even when they were still a Norwegian owned company.

Sorry? They are Chinese

Now they are. Previously, they were Norwegian.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by timeon »

dumbo-octopus wrote: post #74
josefresco wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The creator of Opera sold the company and created Vivaldi. That's it. To me that means Vivaldi is now the "true Opera". I could replace "Chinese consortium" with "Danish consortium" or "French consortium" and it would mean exactly the same thing (not to mention these are not my words, but copy+pasted from Wikipedia). You seem to be jumping to conclusions about my intentions. I use Vivaldi every day, and like it very…

We don't call Deno the new "true Node" even if the founder is the same. Rally, I can't think of any case where X stops being "truly X" because it is sold. Vivaldi is Vivaldi, Opera is Opera.

> We don't call Deno the new "true Node"

We don't? Maybe we should.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by dumbo-octopus »

timeon wrote: post #135
dumbo-octopus wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't call Deno the new "true Node" even if the founder is the same. Rally, I can't think of any case where X stops being "truly X" because it is sold. Vivaldi is Vivaldi, Opera is Opera.

> We don't call Deno the new "true Node" We don't? Maybe we should.

Why? The goals are different, the support is different, the stability is different, the use cases are different, the compatibility is different... all in all they're almost as different as Opera and Vivaldi.

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by ivanjermakov »

asadotzler wrote: post #127
ivanjermakov wrote: post #88

I want my user agent to have nothing to do with LLMs. Last time I checked, the browser's purpose was to serve web applications.

Incorrect. It's the web server's purpose to serve web applications. The browser's purpose is to act as the client, the user's agent, in rendering those web applications. If you're using Firefox, you've probably already got LLMs (well, NMT models which are built using large language corpora, and among other things, a transformer architecture, so close enough) and they're a good thing because they allow you to translat…

Good point. I guess it boils down to providing value and solving real problems. Opposite to "we added AI to your browser because it's trendy".

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by SushiHippie »

asadotzler wrote: post #125
SushiHippie wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They use neural machine translation [0] models, they are artificial neural networks, but I don't think that you can really call them "AI". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_machine_translation See also: https://browser.mt/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/local-translation-add-on...

Firefox's translation feature was built on Mozilla's Bergamot collab with Europe. It's an NMT as you note but it's also a set of language models trained on large language corpora using, among other techniques, the transformer architecture, so people calling it LLM translation don't bother me at all, and I'm the guy that brought it to Firefox (with my architect partner Andre Natal). The best article is probably https:…

Thanks for the work you do, and your reply, very interesting!

Re: Opera becomes the first major browser with built-in access to local AI models

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Post by jasonlotito »

asystole wrote: post #86
jasonlotito wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are confusing the Internet with the web. You do not "browse" the Internet. Browser suites are for using the Internet, and the Netscape Suite provided numerous tools to use various protocols on the Internet. One of those happened to be a browser for browsing the web. I say this to make it clear that the "now" in your comment ignores past and present browsers across all platforms.

You know damn well that people often use "internet" and "web" interchangeably.

I know, but it's important in this context.

"Browsers are for browsing internet. So many of them are now turning into bloatware."

This person is implying internet as only the web, when the reality is, suites would access more than just the web. To suggest they are "for browsing [web]" only is 100% wrong, and history shows them.

So, normally your comment would be appropriate, but it ignores context and the discussion at hand. Context is important, and you shouldn't ignore it.

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