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A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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I know a woman who had married a dutch and went to live in a farm there. Apparently it was frowned upon for women to wear pants in the village where they lived, and finally she divorced and left (also for other issues I presume, but she cited closed mindedness as a major one). She's in her 40s, not in her 80s.

One does not simply walk into the Bible Belt with pants on..

Well seems NL has their very own bible belt that isn't as famous.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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> Currently, the new version of AltStore is deep in Apple’s approval process and will be ready to go live once it gets the thumbs up from the company. I do hope that EU will push harder and we will be able to install anything we want (even alternative stores) without blessing from greedy mega-corp...

What I don't understand is why people keep using Apple? There are already platforms that allow this. Use them!

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

Similarly, much of Europe scores higher on the Democracy Index than the US. The US loves to say how democratic it is, but it's democratic in a few specific ways and misses out on most other aspects. The 538 podcast did a good breakdown of this a year or two ago.

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It seems like "think of the grandmas" is the new "think of the children" line.

I wish people using the Grandma argument for security would provide some statistics on how many grandmas got hacked and robbed from side loading android apps before trying to die on that hill for Apple.

Both my father and my mother got their banks ripped off by keyloggers on both an android handset and a windows computer separate occasions. They have been divorced for 30 years and do not even live near or speak to each other. The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like "think of the grandmas" is the new "think of the children" line.

I wish people using the Grandma argument for security would provide some statistics on how many grandmas got hacked and robbed from side loading android apps before trying to die on that hill for Apple.

As opposed to the statistics that are put forward by proponents of side loading and alt stores?

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The Europeans have done some good work on things like privacy, but as for Apple and their app store, it's really trivial to simply not buy an iPhone . There are lots and lots of other phones out there that aren't nearly as monopolistic in their treatment of users.

To start: There absolutely should be limits to what kinds of devices can be sold. E.g., they should not be dangerous to operate. If you can't make a lawnmower that doesn't harm people, it's OK for governments or the EU to tell you that you can't sell lawnmowers. It's also OK to enforce standardization in e.g. electrical sockets and other basic infrastructure. This should not come down to "consumer preference" - _espe…

What, like paslode charges you for gas every time you hammer a nail. Joiners are not competitive if they don’t have a nail gun so they have to buy them and everyone knows paslode is the best. The compressed air ones are unweildy and the electric ones are not powerfull enough. (Sorry couldn’t resist it)

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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European iPhones will have more freedom than American iPhones. Amazing

The US is not a very free country, despite the claims to the contrary. Try drinking some beer in a public park while having a picnic and see what the police do to you. The main "freedom" in America is the ability of wealthy interests to screw over everyone.

A US friend of mine says the only freedom in the US is freedom to be an asshole.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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> intellectually dishonest analogy based on numbers alone, never mind what each is respectively used for Neither should matter. Also, if you think the analogy misleading, please say why rather than calling it dishonest (I need more details than you've given to understand why you don't like it in those ways): this is a sincere comparison, and it's hard to learn from insults. > they all just up and randomly closed shop…

intellectual honesty is a concept the opposite of which i did not refer to with any intent to insult. what i mean is that, on their faces, video game consoles and smartphones are inherently different things. that you can play video games on a smartphone but you can't smartphone on a video game console is relevant. and that nearly everyone in the modern world has one (smartphones), but a relatively small number the ot…

Thank you — though it still feels like an insult, I will accept this was not intentional. (I bet I do the same at times).

Unfortunately I remain un-illuminated.

To me, an analogy must not be identical to the thing it is compared with: something identical would still be "an example", but an analogy is always specifically in the subset of examples which are different in some substantial way.

I can only think to give further examples of analogies which I think would be apt, and ask which would you accept as an analogy in this case, which would you refuse, and why?

Supermarkets: each brand controls what is sold within itself. This control doesn't matter, because we have multiple brands. It would matter if we didn't have multiple brands.

States within a federal nation: each regional government controls the laws within itself. Moving between them is straightforward, but not zero-cost. People care a bit, but they have to be pushing quite hard on the national Overton Window to get censured from above.

Transport options in specific geographic regions: Let's say you have the option of a car, a bus, walking, or cycling. The bus is mandatory for some people (disabilities, OAPs, school kids), so let's say those groups get free passes. Given everyone else (by construction) doesn't need the bus, in this scenario does it matter what price the tickets are or that the routes are fixed and limited?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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post #131

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One does not simply walk into the Bible Belt with pants on..

Well seems NL has their very own bible belt that isn't as famous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt_(Netherlands)
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