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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by mdekkers »

blueflow wrote: post #4
spqrr wrote: post #2

Consumption of all drugs is legal in Germany. The problem is buying/selling/production, as well as simple possession. I think this is the case in most countries.

This tiny detail makes the difference why employer-mandated drug tests are not a thing in Germany like it is in the US.

> This tiny detail makes the difference why employer-mandated drug tests are not a thing in Germany like it is in the US.

Not really. The business of employer-mandated drug testing in the EU is generally tricky, and employees enjoy wide ranging protections. Most countries only allow drug testing where there is a certain aspect of risk, and in most of those case, only a physician can perform the test, and cannot share findings, only declare the subject as fit for duties or not.

In Germany, specifically, a pre-employment test but a physician is allowed, and when employed only rarely and for very specific circumstances.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

treprinum wrote: post #19
yunohn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience in Europe, the primary roadblock is the controlling moralistic conservatism exhibited by critics like those quoted in the article.

How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.

It’s also super annoying getting on a bus after you read statistics claiming that 15% didn’t wash their hands and we keep getting on the bus anyway.

Newsflash. Not everyone who smokes „must smoke”. And trust me, in order to smoke responsibly you actually need a ton of self-control.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by Hamuko »

croes wrote: post #105
tdudhhu wrote: post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

And still alcohol is legal despite all proven destruction it causes

Because it's really hard to take away something that is legal. I don't think that is a good argument for legalising other harmful things.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by GordonS »

encom wrote: post #130
GordonS wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people are moving to vaping, which produced much, much less smell. Plus, vapour doesn't "stick" to things and make them smell forever more like smoke does. Also, edibles are really popular these days.

>vapour doesn't "stick" to things I used to vape indoors, and vape absolutely does stick to everything if you don't have good ventilation. It doesn't smell like toboacco, but it's this greasy/sticky coating instead. It was total shit-show to clean everything when I moved.

I've vaped indoors for 3 years, using a dry herb vape with flower on prescription, and we haven't noticed anything at all. I have family that visit once a year, they were here recently and didn't notice anything (my wife asked, because she's paranoid about the smell). Many others seem to agree. Maybe it's different if you use carts, I don't know what's even in those.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by thinkingemote »

Meanwhile Thailand is rolling back it's legalisation of cannabis. Even though the industry brought in over a billion USD, it will be banned at the end of the year, citing protection of health of the youth. The population seems to approve of the reversal (medical use is kept). I think a few countries will be watching carefully after seeing how the experiment goes.

Whilst the majority of users seem to be fine, it can absolutely and seriously ruin some people's mental health.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by retsibsi »

johnisgood wrote: post #115
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lawbound state gives me the freedom to live my life without being murdered by someone who knows there are no repercussions for doing so. If you think there is a good reason to allow murder, then please explain what that is. I do agree with you that many laws are overreaching, like those that prevent me from doing something with no negative effect on anyone else, just like the law we're discussing here.

I think if it is only the laws that are keeping people from killing each other, we are in big trouble.

Who said 'only'?

The threat of punishment is not needed to prevent most people from killing, most of the time. But it sure does help in some edge cases!

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

tdudhhu wrote: post #72

While I think freedom is good, I also think there are more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use. I've seen so many people waste their life on weed and alcohol that I can't be very happy about this news.

> more people destroying their lives with drugs than people who can regulate their use.

I think you are either intentionally exaggerating, or vastly overestimate the number of people destroying their lives, or underestimate the number of people who use drugs (especially alcohol, consumed by >50% of the US population).

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by Wytwwww »

falcor84 wrote: post #64
gruez wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nearly any amount of intoxication is vaguely illegal under disorderly conduct. Isn't that limited to public spaces? If you're getting high in private you should be fine?

As I understand it, the issue is only about showing up to work with any level of drugs in your system, even if there aren't any actual signs of you being intoxicated.

But that's just a policy some companies have, it has nothing to do with legality.
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