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Re: Improving cursor rendering on Wayland

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Post by hulitu » Sat, Mar 16, 2024, 7:17 PM UTC

jchw wrote: post #8

rcxdude wrote: post #4

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It's a wholly expected punchline to anything wayland: by most accounts Gnome is one of the worst offenders in the death-by-comittee wasteland that is standardising protocols in wayland.

As far as I can tell, nobody has filed an issue on Gitlab for wp-cursor-shape, nor posted an MR. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests?search=w... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/?search=wp-curso... Nothing on Mutter either: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/?search=wp-cu... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests?searc... It looks like the old GTK mailing lists w…

> As far as I can tell, nobody has filed an issue on Gitlab for wp-cursor-shape, nor posted an MR.

This is just because people do not use Wayland. But, like in the case of SystemD, it seems to be pushed behind their backs.

Re: Improving cursor rendering on Wayland

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Post by TylerE » Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 12:43 AM UTC

destructionator wrote: post #119

TylerE wrote: post #53

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We're in the position in the first place due to Xorgs decades of highly dubious technical decisions. For one, "network first" for a GUI is not a sane model, and that is only more and more true as more "compute" is pushed onto the GPU.

> Xorgs decades of highly dubious technical decisions. People like to say this, yet time and time again, X's design proves to be the superior one in the real world. Some of it could use minor revisions (adding some image compression would be fine, etc), but it is hard to seriously say things are "highly dubious" compared to the competition.

If it’s so superior why is the world so desperate to use anything but?

Re: Improving cursor rendering on Wayland

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Post by jchw » Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 12:46 AM UTC

hulitu wrote: post #131

jchw wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I can tell, nobody has filed an issue on Gitlab for wp-cursor-shape, nor posted an MR. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests?search=w... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/?search=wp-curso... Nothing on Mutter either: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/?search=wp-cu... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests?searc... It looks like the old GTK mailing lists w…

> As far as I can tell, nobody has filed an issue on Gitlab for wp-cursor-shape, nor posted an MR. This is just because people do not use Wayland. But, like in the case of SystemD, it seems to be pushed behind their backs.

(I am using Wayland right now while posting this. Also, there was an MR for GTK4 for months, as it turns out.)

Re: Improving cursor rendering on Wayland

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Post by uecker » Wed, Mar 20, 2024, 8:14 PM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #118

uecker wrote: post #113

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Certainly a huge difference, but if you want good performance you need to treat this as a remote buffer management problem in both cases.

Sorry, but I can’t take the suggestion that the PCI bus and the internet should be treated the same seriously. You’re telling 4 or 5 orders of magnitude difference. Maybe more on some specs. It’s like saying you should use the same file access algorithms for a RAM disk and punch cards. No you shouldn’t!

You need to compare to memory on the main board.