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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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They are deeply involved. If it’s that bad for developers, drop the iPhone and develop solely for Android. Developers need the iPhone and Apple needs developers.

> If it’s that bad for developers, drop the iPhone and develop solely for Android. That's what I've done personally but that's not something you can ask most companies.

Why not? Android has nearly twice as much marketshare as Apple in Europe.

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I assume you're aware and have some other reason that disqualifies it (e.g. you're in the US), but Fairphone does exist and comes pretty close (i.e. PostmarketOS is supposed to run, at least): https://www.fairphone.com/

Thank you. I did actually come across this a few weeks ago as I semi-regularly search for new phones in my despair! It is the closest phone to what I have been after for a while. I particularly like their long software support and their support for right-to-repair. It runs stock Android, however I'm not sure whether that means Google is still fully entrenched into all aspects of the phone by default including through…

My guess is that if you want to use any of the common apps you will need the play store services app that does all the data collection.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

They’re the same terms as those required for an alternative app marketplace.

Not exactly, looks like there's no requirement to have €1,000,000 in your bank account like you need for alternative app marketplaces.

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> If it’s that bad for developers, drop the iPhone and develop solely for Android. That's what I've done personally but that's not something you can ask most companies.

Why not? Android has nearly twice as much marketshare as Apple in Europe.

Because it's not a market, that's the whole problem, you have to target both platforms no matter what you do otherwise you are losing some marketshare. (Unless you are doing it as a hobby like me of course)

It's not like you can install android apps on iphone or iphone apps on android.

Sure in a market you might tell the consumer "shop somewhere else" but that's not an option here since they can't.

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What the hell is going on at Apple? It's starting to become really funny to see one obviously non-compliant malicious compliance attempt being made after another. Do they really not understand that they're no longer involved in the relationships between users and developers?

Don't overcomplicate it. They want to preserve their Services revenue, because Tim Cook is a bean-counter and wants to maintain the profit margin. "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle provides some background. Many Apple indie devs and fanboys are literally screaming. I bet many people @Apple are too. There are so many things the company could do to regain geek-cred. Package manager and windowing on macOS. Align Mac App Sto…

They would make money hand-over-fist if they did all of that.

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I don't trust the EU much to fix the things that I personally care about indeed. Namely: unrestricted access for new, small entrants. Less restrictions on utilities. Stuff like that. My favourite pet example: I want DaisyDisk for iOS. What does Cook need threatening with to allow that?

That's actually exactly what the DMA is supposed to solve. So maybe you just need to wait.

I don't know about my pet. It would need full storage access, and even I agree that keeping apps separate from each other is a good idea, security wise. I don't see how you can argue against that when you're considering monopoly issues.

On the other hand, Apple not allowing apps not approved by them and not allowing manual single app installs without going through their app store or some other app store does look to me like a monopoly issue.

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post #86

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I don't trust the EU much to fix the things that I personally care about indeed. Namely: unrestricted access for new, small entrants. Less restrictions on utilities. Stuff like that. My favourite pet example: I want DaisyDisk for iOS. What does Cook need threatening with to allow that?

Are you sure you want iOS? Perhaps you want Android? Sounds like you just want the iPhone hardware, but not the spirit of the OS that contributed to what it is. Adding manual disk management makes more like running Windows XP than a smooth "mostly just works" phone.

Well, if Apple's space usage report would be more detailed and made sense, maybe I wouldn't need it.

But... "Other" ?

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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This is still not good enough because as Apple demonstrated last week, they can capriciously remove access for any developer at any time for any reason at all. They need to be removed completely from the code signing and publishing process altogether.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#139

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

That's probably to prevent the most obvious workaround of creating a new shell company for every million users. (Which would be not so ridiculous as it sounds, there is plenty of software you cannot buy directly but only through a reseller. Epic could become a pure b2b shop on paper and sell Fortnite clients to regional distributors, or something like that.)

Some time ago somebody made an alternative App Store for emulators, https://altstore.io . I think it works by having users get a developer's certificate and installing the apps like an in-development app. I think it would be really neat if this model got tested in court and declared completely legal.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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post #93

What the hell is going on at Apple? It's starting to become really funny to see one obviously non-compliant malicious compliance attempt being made after another. Do they really not understand that they're no longer involved in the relationships between users and developers?

Don't overcomplicate it. They want to preserve their Services revenue, because Tim Cook is a bean-counter and wants to maintain the profit margin. "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle provides some background. Many Apple indie devs and fanboys are literally screaming. I bet many people @Apple are too. There are so many things the company could do to regain geek-cred. Package manager and windowing on macOS. Align Mac App Sto…

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